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Browns questioned Tannehill's leadership

I think part of it is probably politics, just like how the fins got out what they think about Flynn afterwards in an underhanded way.

Part of it could be more valid especially if they are basing that on a comparison between Weeden and Tannehil. Weeden is much older, he was in the baseball system for a while. He was LARGE & IN CHARGE of that team, whereas Tannehil was playing WR just a lttle while ago. Weeden projected much more confidence and leadership whenever I saw him interview. It's not really a fair comparison though.
 
Who cares? 26 teams passed on Dan Marino.

The Browns are not exactly the model of perfection when it comes to talent evaluation in the recent past.

I saw exactly the opposite during Gruden's QB camp and we've heard quite the opposite coming out of Dolphins camp.

The Browns draft pick will be a 29 year old rookie when the season starts, and frankly he did not impress me as an intelligent leader when I've heard him interviewed (if thats what were gonna base it on).
 
SoDakDolfan said:
Tannehill probably isn't as NFL ready as a field general and leader as Weeden, but they wanted someone right away where as it appears the Dolphins are willing to take time to develop him. The question isn't who is NFL ready for this year but who will be the best long-term QB. My hope is Tannehill is the answer.
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VERY WELL SAID!!!! You hit the nail on the head, this isn't about what happens under center this year, but about the next 10 years. In 10 years we KNOW at least one of them will be sitting on a couch watching games, hopefully one will still be under center.

Don't get me wrong I LOVED Weeden, and think he will be a fantastic QB for a few years, but RT has a chance to be just as good if he can translate his talent to the game.
 
If leadership is what's in question with Tannehill then I'm not concerned. He's displayed plenty of leadership in his short tenure here so far.
 
BlueFin said:
The Browns draft pick will be a 29 year old rookie when the season starts,
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Incorrect. He will still be 28 years old when the season starts. He turns 29 about halfway through the season.

and frankly he did not impress me as an intelligent leader when I've heard him interviewed (if thats what were gonna base it on).
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I think you're in the minority on that one.
 
ckparrothead said:
There may be a ring of truth to this as far as what they really feel, however they're making a concerted effort to consolidate support for Brandon Weeden.

Weeden came into rookie camp and OTAs as advertised, impressing everyone with his pure accuracy, timing, throwing ability, mental processing and leadership. They had intended to let Weeden win the job in training camp, but now that is speeding up significantly and there's been a change from a "competition" language, to the Sam Bradford model. The Sam Bradford model involved declaring Sam the starter pretty much right at the kickoff of training camp. They're trying to tap dance around their initial talk about "competition" by claiming that what they really wanted to see was Brandon Weeden come onto the field and "show" that he is who they thought they were drafting in the 1st round. It's a subtle move from a language standpoint but it's actually a pretty significant move. Essentially, whatever "competition" they intended, Brandon Weeden already won it, and so now they're shifting everything in the organization, media and fan base to line up behind the guy.

Part of that is a concerted effort to downplay their interest in other quarterbacks. They didn't just trash talk Tannehill. They said RG3 is "too small" and "too eager to show how fast he can run". They downplayed their interest in trading up for him, saying they only called up the Rams to say they tried, but RG3 was not who they really wanted. They said Matt Flynn is as short as Colt McCoy and has the same "pop gun" arm. And then that's when they said what they said about Ryan Tannehill.

Things are moving more quickly with Brandon Weeden there than even they imagined, so they're just trying to get everyone in line. It's a love fest. Any minute the MPAA is going to label the Cleveland Browns and Brandon Weeden NC-17. They're getting pretty worked up about him.

Part of me is jealous. I don't think Ryan Tannehill is going to be as inspirational in Miami as Weeden is in Cleveland.
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I agree, I loved Weeden coming out, and I knew we could get him at #8, was a little disappointed when we went after the concenus Tannehill everybody labeled him.. I really love Weeden, I really like THill...I'm hoping he developes..because our fans will almost kill themselves if he doesn't..
 
datruth55 said:
If leadership is what's in question with Tannehill then I'm not concerned. He's displayed plenty of leadership in his short tenure here so far.
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I don't think it's a significant concern to be honest. Cleveland's not wrong, but it's not going to matter that much either. The three keys in being a leader are confidence, talent and effort...and the first two have to come before the last. I think everyone realized Ryan Tannehill probably isn't where he's going to end up being from either confidence or talent standpoints. And when you get all that 'effort' before you have the confidence or talent, that's when you get a Brock Osweiler.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think it's a significant concern to be honest. Cleveland's not wrong, but it's not going to matter that much either. The three keys in being a leader are confidence, talent and effort...and the first two have to come before the last. I think everyone realized Ryan Tannehill probably isn't where he's going to end up being from either confidence or talent standpoints. And when you get all that 'effort' before you have the confidence or talent, that's when you get a Brock Osweiler.
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he certainly seemed confident spitting out his prerehearsed lines to gruden during the qb camp... i was laughing too hard to even take him seriously
 
We have our QB and they have there's, so bring it on.................
 
ckparrothead said:
There may be a ring of truth to this as far as what they really feel, however they're making a concerted effort to consolidate support for Brandon Weeden.

Weeden came into rookie camp and OTAs as advertised, impressing everyone with his pure accuracy, timing, throwing ability, mental processing and leadership. They had intended to let Weeden win the job in training camp, but now that is speeding up significantly and there's been a change from a "competition" language, to the Sam Bradford model. The Sam Bradford model involved declaring Sam the starter pretty much right at the kickoff of training camp. They're trying to tap dance around their initial talk about "competition" by claiming that what they really wanted to see was Brandon Weeden come onto the field and "show" that he is who they thought they were drafting in the 1st round. It's a subtle move from a language standpoint but it's actually a pretty significant move. Essentially, whatever "competition" they intended, Brandon Weeden already won it, and so now they're shifting everything in the organization, media and fan base to line up behind the guy.

Part of that is a concerted effort to downplay their interest in other quarterbacks. They didn't just trash talk Tannehill. They said RG3 is "too small" and "too eager to show how fast he can run". They downplayed their interest in trading up for him, saying they only called up the Rams to say they tried, but RG3 was not who they really wanted. They said Matt Flynn is as short as Colt McCoy and has the same "pop gun" arm. And then that's when they said what they said about Ryan Tannehill.

Things are moving more quickly with Brandon Weeden there than even they imagined, so they're just trying to get everyone in line. It's a love fest. Any minute the MPAA is going to label the Cleveland Browns and Brandon Weeden NC-17. They're getting pretty worked up about him.

Part of me is jealous. I don't think Ryan Tannehill is going to be as inspirational in Miami as Weeden is in Cleveland.
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I agree Weeden is the type of QB that demands respect, like Marino did. He will get in your face and let you and the world know you screwed up and it won't be allowed, but that isnt the only kind of leadership. Chad Pennington didn't have the "get in your face" leadership that these people are talking about and neither did Montana or Peyton. There are different types of leadership, and you don't HAVE to have a type A personallity to be successful as a NFL QB, though I will admit it can be helpful. Brett, Marino, Elway, Bradshaw were all the "bigger than life, it's all about me" types that most consider the true "leaders". But the analytical types like Peyton can explain the game and lead by example as well. Peyton would not be the first guy I can think of that I would want to be on my side in a bar fight, but in his prime he could put up points better than anyone in the history of the game.

Too many times supervisors in charge, such as GMs are type A personalities and respect that in others. I will agree it is easier to win a huddle as a rookie with the dominate spirit, but if you don't back it up with solid QB play what good is it?? I love RT as the future of the franchise, but I will be shocked if he has a better rookie year, or even better first 3 years than Weeden. I really do think Weeden is going to be a stud, and probably be the best rookie QB that was drafted this year. JMO
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think it's a significant concern to be honest. Cleveland's not wrong, but it's not going to matter that much either. The three keys in being a leader are confidence, talent and effort...and the first two have to come before the last. I think everyone realized Ryan Tannehill probably isn't where he's going to end up being from either confidence or talent standpoints. And when you get all that 'effort' before you have the confidence or talent, that's when you get a Brock Osweiler.
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It's not a concern. My top 3 QBs were Luck, Weeden and Tannehill and I think Tannehill has a higher ceiling than Weeden because Weeden is fully matured mentally and physically at his age while Tannehill isn't there yet. The way he is developed by Philbin and Sherman will determine a lot but I have much more confidence in these coaches then I ever had in Sparano and Henning. My biggest concern is that the coaches rush Tannehill because of fan pressure. I would have no issues with Tannehill sitting and learning for two years and I know most don't have that kind of patience, however, if we can still win with him on the bench and Moore/Garrard leading the offense I think the fans will have more patience.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think it's a significant concern to be honest. Cleveland's not wrong, but it's not going to matter that much either. The three keys in being a leader are confidence, talent and effort...and the first two have to come before the last. I think everyone realized Ryan Tannehill probably isn't where he's going to end up being from either confidence or talent standpoints. And when you get all that 'effort' before you have the confidence or talent, that's when you get a Brock Osweiler.
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CK ,I dont come to this site as often as most,and I apologize for this question at this time,I know you liked Weeden a lot,were you also a T-hill fan? thanks in advance.
 
You guys are beating the messenger when almost everyone agrees that Tannehill is not ready to be a starting NFL QB. Weedon is the more mature, older, more polished QB.

I know we are homers but it sounds stupid when we just say the sky is green because we want it to be.

This is the same mentally that says that Tannehill is as ready as Dalton was even when Dalton played 50 games in 4 years compared to 19 games in 2 years for Tannehill.

It is what it is. Everyone wanted Tannehill, now we have him so chill your jets and wait to see if he can play.

You all know that if Cleveland had taken Tannehill and we had drafted Weedon everyone here would be saying how Tannehill is one to two years way while Weedon is ready to start game one this season.
 
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