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Just wondering what some people's take on that is. San Diego held onto Turner's offense and Cam ran it. Do you think that takes a little bit away from what Cam accomplished last season or the previous seasons with SD?

I think about it like this. Mularkey supposedly ran Linehan's offense and did a terrible job at it. You can tell Mularkey put his own little spin on things, added a few things here and there, took away. Just Mularkey's whole offensive philosophy was terrible. He took a descent offense and ran it into the ground. So that's one example of when a coach takes over an offense and it goes to pooh. So, I don't blame Linehan for our offensive inadequacies, I blame Mularkey. Just like Cam deserves alot of credit for SD offensive success.

But the only fair argument some can make is that Cam had alot more to work with then Mularkey. But I think Mularkey had more to work with then Linehan did last year.

Thoughts?
 
Norv Turner and Cam Cameron have worked together in the past before San Diego. They worked together in Washington also. All coaches run similar schemes as other coaches(they have to learn it somewhere). So no, it doesn't take away the great accomplishments Cameron had running the Chargers offense.
 
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Mularkey is a horrible coordinator. We should sign him to TE coach for life so that no team ever has to fear him coming to their city.

Cameron is good enough to have his philosphies, game plan, and personnel all working together.

I feel sorry for kids who can't eat peanut butter because their parents are obsessive soccer mom control freaks.

Cameron is nowhere near finished tweaking his offensive plans to accomodate our personnel. Everyone laughed at the "DUH!" offense, but it worked. Cameron isn't the Mularkey mold of guy.

We're much better off now than last year.
 
Crypt Keeper said:
Norv Turner and Cam Cameron have worked together in the past before San Diego. They worked together in Washington also. All coaches run similar schemes as other coaches(they have to learn it somewhere). So no, it doesn't take away the great accomplishments Cameron had running the Chargers offense.
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Very true, I had forgotten that they had worked together.
 
I don't know much about Cam, but he always talks about using his available players to their strengths. That was pretty obvious last year as he adjusted to not having great WR's, and look what happened. It will be real refreshing for everyone here to not question most of our play-calling this time around.
 
I think it is important to clarify what you mean by "ran Norv Turner's offense". True, Cam Cameron adopted much of his offensive design and playcalling tendencies from Norv Turner when he worked on his staff, but this fact does nothing to degrade my opinion of Cameron's work. You could say that Norv Turner was just running Ernie Zampese's offense with the Cowboys, because Turner and Zampese had much the same mentee/mentor relationship that Cameron and Turner have. Martz learned from Norv, and Al Saunders learned from Martz.

The coaching education started somewhere for everyone. Cameron will be running a system based on Norv's principles (based on the old Air Coryell system), but it will be an offense that he's developed over the years. Make no mistake about it, this is Cam Cameron's offense.
 
malzj said:
Just wondering what some people's take on that is. San Diego held onto Turner's offense and Cam ran it. Do you think that takes a little bit away from what Cam accomplished last season or the previous seasons with SD?

I think about it like this. Mularkey supposedly ran Linehan's offense and did a terrible job at it. You can tell Mularkey put his own little spin on things, added a few things here and there, took away. Just Mularkey's whole offensive philosophy was terrible. He took a descent offense and ran it into the ground. So that's one example of when a coach takes over an offense and it goes to pooh. So, I don't blame Linehan for our offensive inadequacies, I blame Mularkey. Just like Cam deserves alot of credit for SD offensive success.

But the only fair argument some can make is that Cam had alot more to work with then Mularkey. But I think Mularkey had more to work with then Linehan did last year.

Thoughts?
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The biggest worry on Cameron by far, is that he had a plethora of star power on that San Diego offense with a future hall of famer at the second most important position and a pro bowler at the first.

Can he make do with the talent, or lack there of, in Miami? We're gonna find out.
 
IluvJuMiami said:
The biggest worry on Cameron by far, is that he had a plethora of star power on that San Diego offense with a future hall of famer at the second most important position and a pro bowler at the first.

Can he make do with the talent, or lack there of, in Miami? We're gonna find out.
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Well now he has an extremely talented future pro bowl running back with a similar skill set to LT and a former pro bowl MVP candidate Quarterback who should be returning to health. Add to that two former pro bowl wide outs and a dangerous recieving TE and I doubt he will be complaining too much about a lack of talent.

Even if Culpepper isn't healthy we may manage to snatch up Brady Quinn for him to groom and there is always Cleo Lemon, a talented QB who he is familiar with. The future is bright dude.
 
Oh and we may be getting Ricky back to fill that Michael Turner role which is another plus.
 
no it doesn't, Cameron had to adjust his offense to the team personnel and he did a great job in doing so. Gates was the best option in the passing game and Cameron made sure he got the ball and ran good routes which would get him open
 
nick1 said:
no it doesn't, Cameron had to adjust his offense to the team personnel and he did a great job in doing so. Gates was the best option in the passing game and Cameron made sure he got the ball and ran good routes which would get him open
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Exactly right. He used his best guys at the right times, unlike what happened here last year. Remember how many times this happened?:

1 and 10: Brown for 9 yards
2nd and 1: Incomplete to Chambers
3rd and 1: Incomplete to Chambers
4th Down: Punt
:smackhead
 
Frank B said:
I think it is important to clarify what you mean by "ran Norv Turner's offense". True, Cam Cameron adopted much of his offensive design and playcalling tendencies from Norv Turner when he worked on his staff, but this fact does nothing to degrade my opinion of Cameron's work. You could say that Norv Turner was just running Ernie Zampese's offense with the Cowboys, because Turner and Zampese had much the same mentee/mentor relationship that Cameron and Turner have. Martz learned from Norv, and Al Saunders learned from Martz.

The coaching education started somewhere for everyone. Cameron will be running a system based on Norv's principles (based on the old Air Coryell system), but it will be an offense that he's developed over the years. Make no mistake about it, this is Cam Cameron's offense.
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Mostly agree with you, just one point of stipulation. Both Martz and Saunders learned the offense directly from Ernie Zampese. Between the three of them, Martz, Saunders, and Turner...they represent the three active coordinators in the NFL that run the Zampese/Coryall playbook, and learned it directly from Zampese. Everyone else that runs it (Ron Turner, Clarence Shelmon, Cam Cameron, and Mike Solari) learned it from one of those three guys. In Shelmon's case you might say he learned it from a guy who learned it from Turner.
 
BOTTOM LINE: No one can argue that Norv can run a good offense. He routinely has a great running game, and takes his shots down the field. If I am not mistaken Norv coached our best offense as far as production in the last 10 yeas a few years back...at least from a rushing standpoint. Anyway, these guys dont get paid for their systems, they still have to make the right play calls in the right situations. Gruden has a great system, but as of late couldnt put a game plan together to save his life, yet you have people like Andy Reid using the same system and egtting great results.....
 
malzj said:
Just wondering what some people's take on that is. San Diego held onto Turner's offense and Cam ran it. Do you think that takes a little bit away from what Cam accomplished last season or the previous seasons with SD?

I think about it like this. Mularkey supposedly ran Linehan's offense and did a terrible job at it. You can tell Mularkey put his own little spin on things, added a few things here and there, took away. Just Mularkey's whole offensive philosophy was terrible. He took a descent offense and ran it into the ground. So that's one example of when a coach takes over an offense and it goes to pooh. So, I don't blame Linehan for our offensive inadequacies, I blame Mularkey. Just like Cam deserves alot of credit for SD offensive success.

But the only fair argument some can make is that Cam had alot more to work with then Mularkey. But I think Mularkey had more to work with then Linehan did last year.

Thoughts?
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huh?:confused:
 
They all put their own spin on the system. It's not like learning from Zampese himself ensures a better offensive system. Martz has said he doesn't watch much football on TV but he always watches San Diego's games because he is amazed at what Cam has done with the system. So basically Cam ran his own offense at San Diego, it was derived from the Coryell system but in the end it is his own offense not that of another. Cameron is an offensive genious so there is nothing to worry about in that department. The main thing to worry about at this point is getting the talent to get the job done and getting rid of the dead weight that has been plaguing this team far too long...

As far as Mularkey goes, who cares...:lol:
 
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