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This is the only weak point in his resume' IMO, so let's take a deeper look at it and see if we can't rehabilitate the guy.

He coached at Indiana from 1997 to 2001. His being an offensive coach, let's take a look primarily at the offensive players he had to work with.


His quarterbacks were:

1997: Jay Rodgers, otherwise known as "who?"

1998-2001: Antwaan Randle-El, who nowadays returns punts and occasionally throws passes from another position in the NFL


His biggest yard-getters on the ground were:

1997: De'Wayne Hogan, who had 506 yards on the ground at a 3.4 yard clip

1998: Randle-El, who had 873 yards at a 3.8 yard clip

1999: Levron Williams, who had 817 yards at a 6.9 yard clip, but also goes by the name "who?" nowadays

2000: Randle-El again, with 1,270 yards at a 5.8 clip (he can't pass, might as well run 'em....)

2001: Levron Williams again, with 1,401 yards at a 6.6 clip


His "star" receivers were:

1997: Chris Gall, with 54 catches for 422 yards, for a stunning 7.8 yards per catch

1998: Tyrone Browning, with 47 catches for 764 yards

1999: Versie Gladdis, with 35 catches for 633 yards

2000: Versie Gladdis, with 29 catches for 554 yards ("just go deep, Versie"...)

2001: Levron "if you recognize the name it's because you've already seen it in this post" Williams, with 26 catches for 289 yards.


Now let's take a look at Cameron's defensive players.


His leading tacklers were:

1997-1998: Jabar Robinson
1999: Justin Smith
2000: Johnny Anderson
2001: Justin Smith


His top interception-getters were:

1997: Joey Eloms and Kywin Superanaw
1998: Jabar Robinson and Greg Yeldell
1999: Michael McGrath
2000: Sherrod Wallace
2001: Marcus Floyd


His top sack men were:

1997-1999: Wally Ogunleye (finally! somebody we know!)
2000: Justin Smith
2001: Kemp Rasmussen


So Wally Ogunleye notwithstanding, no real star firepower going on anywhere up there. None of those guys went on to any stardom at their positions in the NFL other than Wally.

Obviously the argument here is that, with a Big 10 schedule every year, the typical Indiana football player isn't anybody who'd help a head coach be very successful. To support that, let's take a look at how Cameron did in comparison to other Indiana coaches.

In its history from 1887 to the present, the IU football team has a 430-587 record, or a .423 winning percentage. Not good.

Since 1948, no Indiana coach has had a career winning percentage over .500. Let's take a look at who these guys are:

Clyde B. Smith (1948-1951)
36 games
.236

Bernie A. Crimmins (1952-1956)
45 games
.289

Bob Hicks (1957)
9 games
.111

Phil Dickens (1958-1964)
63 games
.333

John Pont (1965-1972)
83 games
.380

Lee Corso (1973-1982)
111 games
.378

Sam Wyche (1983)
11 games
.273

Bill Mallory (1984-1996)
149 games
.473

Cam Cameron (1997-2001)
55 games
.327

Gerry DiNardo (2002-2004)
35 games
.229

Terry Hoeppner (2005-2006)
24 games
.416

Even without doing the stats, I think it's safe to say Cameron's record at Indiana isn't significantly worse than the average IU coach's since 1948, and when you look at the players he had to work with, it isn't hard to understand why.

http://inside99.net/NCAA/database/indiana_database.htm

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...otbl-body.html
 
Great post!

Bill Mallory was Indiana's most successful coach in recent history. He had a losing record, went 0-11 his first season, 2-4 in bowl games, and never won the Big Ten. Once again, this was their most successful coach.

Bill Mallory's record at IU (his first 5 years): 26-31-1
Cam Cameron's 5-year record at IU: 18-37

The Hoosiers football team is a punching bag for Michigan, Mich St, Penn St, Ohio St, Wisconsin, and Purdue. Indiana is a basketball school just like Duke.

But you can't blame Cameron for trying. Indiana was his alma mater. He played football for Lee Corso and Sam Wyche, and basketball for Bobby Knight.
 
Thanks for taking the time to do that for us. I have thought that all along anyways. theres just not much at indiana. That said I hope HH and CC can get this offense clicking.
 
Yards, Points, Numbers

As one of the few Miami Dolphin - Indiana Hoosier fans who followed Cam through his playing days and his coaching ( Yes I follow Indiana Football and Miami Dolphins Football), I want you all to look at one thing.

His Hoosiers could score. Look at the amount of yardage they piled up. When they lost, it was in a shoot out. Randal-El put up SICK numbers for a door-mat. Believe me, if you a Hoosiers fan, you remember when your team gives you hope.

One of the brilliant things the Dolphins did is retain Dom Capers.With him on D and Cam on O, this ship could right itself pretty quick.

Keep in mind, a coach named Sam Wyche lost BIG TIME at IU and rebounded to lead the Bengals to a Superbowl a few years later.

Cam is the RIGHT guy. Honestly, he is probably a better fit than Saban was. Let's see what changes happen in the roster. Remember, we're getting Daunte back at full strength, Ricky and Ronnie back and high draft picks.

Anything is possible in the NFL.
 
LKMusician said:
As one of the few Miami Dolphin - Indiana Hoosier fans who followed Cam through his playing days and his coaching ( Yes I follow Indiana Football and Miami Dolphins Football), I want you all to look at one thing.

His Hoosiers could score. Look at the amount of yardage they piled up. When they lost, it was in a shoot out. Randal-El put up SICK numbers for a door-mat. Believe me, if you a Hoosiers fan, you remember when your team gives you hope.

One of the brilliant things the Dolphins did is retain Dom Capers.With him on D and Cam on O, this ship could right itself pretty quick.

Keep in mind, a coach named Sam Wyche lost BIG TIME at IU and rebounded to lead the Bengals to a Superbowl a few years later.

Cam is the RIGHT guy. Honestly, he is probably a better fit than Saban was. Let's see what changes happen in the roster. Remember, we're getting Daunte back at full strength, Ricky and Ronnie back and high draft picks.

Anything is possible in the NFL.
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Very good input. Thanks. :wink:
 
LKMusician said:
As one of the few Miami Dolphin - Indiana Hoosier fans who followed Cam through his playing days and his coaching ( Yes I follow Indiana Football and Miami Dolphins Football), I want you all to look at one thing.

His Hoosiers could score. Look at the amount of yardage they piled up. When they lost, it was in a shoot out. Randal-El put up SICK numbers for a door-mat. Believe me, if you a Hoosiers fan, you remember when your team gives you hope.

One of the brilliant things the Dolphins did is retain Dom Capers.With him on D and Cam on O, this ship could right itself pretty quick.

Keep in mind, a coach named Sam Wyche lost BIG TIME at IU and rebounded to lead the Bengals to a Superbowl a few years later.

Cam is the RIGHT guy. Honestly, he is probably a better fit than Saban was. Let's see what changes happen in the roster. Remember, we're getting Daunte back at full strength, Ricky and Ronnie back and high draft picks.

Anything is possible in the NFL.
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nice post , capers and cameron and houck

i love camerons comments about team. it might be rederict but it is the kind i perfer
 
One more thing...

Don't forget Randal-El finished 4th or 5th in the Heisman Voting. That's the kind of numbers he was putting up under Cam.

Indiana had two other Heisman finalists Anthony Thompson ( 2nd to Andre Ware) and Vaughn Dunbar ( 5th about 4-5 years later ) before Cam got there - both running backs. Mallory was a running coach, but Cam shows more balance.

His offence is exciting. He knows how to develop QBs (Gus Ferotte at Washington - Rivers and Brees at SD) But he also knows running backs.

Watch what he does with our backfield...
 
shouright said:
This is the only weak point in his resume' IMO, so let's take a deeper look at it and see if we can't rehabilitate the guy.

He coached at Indiana from 1997 to 2001. His being an offensive coach, let's take a look primarily at the offensive players he had to work with.


His quarterbacks were:

1997: Jay Rodgers, otherwise known as "who?"

1998-2001: Antwaan Randle-El, who nowadays returns punts and occasionally throws passes from another position in the NFL


His biggest yard-getters on the ground were:

1997: De'Wayne Hogan, who had 506 yards on the ground at a 3.4 yard clip

1998: Randle-El, who had 873 yards at a 3.8 yard clip

1999: Levron Williams, who had 817 yards at a 6.9 yard clip, but also goes by the name "who?" nowadays

2000: Randle-El again, with 1,270 yards at a 5.8 clip (he can't pass, might as well run 'em....)

2001: Levron Williams again, with 1,401 yards at a 6.6 clip


His "star" receivers were:

1997: Chris Gall, with 54 catches for 422 yards, for a stunning 7.8 yards per catch

1998: Tyrone Browning, with 47 catches for 764 yards

1999: Versie Gladdis, with 35 catches for 633 yards

2000: Versie Gladdis, with 29 catches for 554 yards ("just go deep, Versie"...)

2001: Levron "if you recognize the name it's because you've already seen it in this post" Williams, with 26 catches for 289 yards.


Now let's take a look at Cameron's defensive players.


His leading tacklers were:

1997-1998: Jabar Robinson
1999: Justin Smith
2000: Johnny Anderson
2001: Justin Smith


His top interception-getters were:

1997: Joey Eloms and Kywin Superanaw
1998: Jabar Robinson and Greg Yeldell
1999: Michael McGrath
2000: Sherrod Wallace
2001: Marcus Floyd


His top sack men were:

1997-1999: Wally Ogunleye (finally! somebody we know!)
2000: Justin Smith
2001: Kemp Rasmussen


So Wally Ogunleye notwithstanding, no real star firepower going on anywhere up there. None of those guys went on to any stardom at their positions in the NFL other than Wally.

Obviously the argument here is that, with a Big 10 schedule every year, the typical Indiana football player isn't anybody who'd help a head coach be very successful. To support that, let's take a look at how Cameron did in comparison to other Indiana coaches.

In its history from 1887 to the present, the IU football team has a 430-587 record, or a .423 winning percentage. Not good.

Since 1948, no Indiana coach has had a career winning percentage over .500. Let's take a look at who these guys are:

Clyde B. Smith (1948-1951)
36 games
.236

Bernie A. Crimmins (1952-1956)
45 games
.289

Bob Hicks (1957)
9 games
.111

Phil Dickens (1958-1964)
63 games
.333

John Pont (1965-1972)
83 games
.380

Lee Corso (1973-1982)
111 games
.378

Sam Wyche (1983)
11 games
.273

Bill Mallory (1984-1996)
149 games
.473

Cam Cameron (1997-2001)
55 games
.327

Gerry DiNardo (2002-2004)
35 games
.229

Terry Hoeppner (2005-2006)
24 games
.416

Even without doing the stats, I think it's safe to say Cameron's record at Indiana isn't significantly worse than the average IU coach's since 1948, and when you look at the players he had to work with, it isn't hard to understand why.

http://inside99.net/NCAA/database/indiana_database.htm

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...otbl-body.html
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Great job with the research! I think we have a very good coach! Go Phins!!!
 
Good post, its been discussed and talked about before, many blindly wanted to ignore it in the past.

I had gone back and researched it and thats when I changed my mind on the guy.
 
Yeah but he coached one of the weakest teams in the Big 10. Who stands no chance against MSU or Michigan, or OSU or PSU, or Wisconsin etc. etc. Who have many less recruits because most people go to IU for hoops and not football. It's hard to judge Cameron when he took over a weak big 10 team.
 
As probably the only other big time IU-Dolphins fan on board, the only correction I would make to your good analysis is Randle-El. While he may only be an average NFL receiver. Statistically he was one of the greatest QBs (Running and passing) in NCAA history. Every Big10 team knew we had one single weapon, Randle-El and they stacked the line to stop him on every down and still he put up more yardage than almost anyone in history.

Side note: Levron Williams, while by no means a super stud, was a running back for the Chargers I believe. So he was at least good enough to make it to the NFL
 
I think the majority of the fans here who were using Camerons' record at IU against him, were the Chan Gailey supporters. Most of us who were in favor of hiring Cameron, didn't really see his record at IU as a significant issue....

The man knows offense, and when you look over his resume, you just have a great feeling about our offense being able to reach that next gear we've been lacking. I'm stoked about the hire, and I have confidence in him turning our offense around....

PHINZ RULE!!!!
 
You can also look at it from this perspective.
Pretend you're about to graduate high school. You're one of the better football players out there. You've been recruited by several teams that want to give you a scholarship. You have your choices to play football for
Michigan - always a favorite for a bowl game
Indiana - "Indiana?? What state is that in?"

Yes, I can say that....I'm a hoosier. haha

So most kids, given the chance, aren't going to want a scholarship to play football for a basketball college. They'll go where they stand a chance.
 
thanks for the reasearch i feel better about cam now. Im not ready to be denny green and crown his *** yet, but im willing to judge him by the job he does. I can garuntee at one point donald fitzgerald shula was a young upstart coach from bmore who couldnt win the big one , so lets see were the cam train takes us
 
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