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We all have reasons to dislike Cam. So on a different note, what was the best move he made for this team in your opinion
CamRam's Best Move
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Picking up Quentin Moses . . . . very good job of eyeing potential talent. Moses was a third round pick who just didn't fit well with other teams . . . he could end up STARTING for this team in the next year or 2 . . . hell possibly JT's replacement . . . anybody with that kind of potential and u get him for free . . . is impressive.
Drafting Satele in the second round.
Maybe grabbing John Beck. (Jury is still out)
Trading Olindo Mare.
Maybe grabbing John Beck. (Jury is still out)
Trading Olindo Mare.
I agree on all counts, add Feeley to the positive column and would also point out that the jury's still out on Ginn since his effectiveness is directly linked to the arm-strength and accuracy of his QB (hopefully Beck) and in turn the OL's ability to give that QB enough time for Ginn to get downfield. I'm not unhappy with Ginn's selection. Would have preferred Levi Brown(already gone at that point) and then Willis, but although surprised, can't say I was sad about passing on Quinn (which also may turn out to be one of Cam's positive legacies).
This is where the "retooling" messed this team up a bit . . . . Cam and Randy thought they had a PLAYOFF team . . . . there LB's were JT, CC, ZT and JP . . . drafting Willis sends one of those guys to the bench . . . so they went to improve the offense because they THOUGHT the defense was straight.
Unfortunately when after the first game your veterans are out of shape because you don't play them in the preseason . . . u realize the age u have on D and how bad the D really is.
I drank the Kool Aid . . . Willsi was my pick until we grabbed Porter . . . and then I realized that LB was AS big of a need . . . I wanted one of the OLinemen to drop . . . I also wanted Ginn . . . so everything is not lost. If we even had a DECENT special teams and DECENT QB play through out the year . . . the Ginn selection probably wouldn't be getting scrutinized . . .
Regardless . . . Beck and Ginn will be the legacy of Cam . . . even if Quinn is a stud . . . if Beck and Ginn are solid . . . it wont matter.
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getting rid of the wife beating,pass dropping,fumble machine in randy mcmicheal. while his replacement wasnt very effective and we are still needing a starting caliber pass cathcing te atleast the ones he brought in were better in character off and on the field.
while camram didn't get things together from a coordination standpoint alot of things like the draft and letting go of several dead weight capspace eaters were dealt with pretty well. also the demotion of jason allen to special teams seemed to put a fire under him to get his play turned around.
another thing that killed cam was not hiring a o-coordinator and not letting go of mularky. but in the long run he probly did more good for this team then bad from a personnel standpoint.
while camram didn't get things together from a coordination standpoint alot of things like the draft and letting go of several dead weight capspace eaters were dealt with pretty well. also the demotion of jason allen to special teams seemed to put a fire under him to get his play turned around.
another thing that killed cam was not hiring a o-coordinator and not letting go of mularky. but in the long run he probly did more good for this team then bad from a personnel standpoint.
I'm on the fence with Feeley. I would prefer to have a kicker with more leg on kickoffs. Which was Olindo's only strong point towards the end of his stay with us.
U are kidding right? U didn't feel comfortable knowing you had a kicker who was just about automatic when he kicks . . . but u lean towards OLindo who yea he had a stronger leg on kickoffs . . . but I was nervous on 35 yarders with him.
And Feeley has an average to above average leg on kickoffs . . . just not as big as Mare . . . because Mare has the strongest leg in the league . . . I still rather have somebody who is extremely consistent on FG's . . . which is the primary reason to have a kicker . . . not to mention he can kick the long FG as well.
If anything be on the fence because he showed last year he can be a bit cancerous in the lockeroom . . . but not because of his performance.
Did you read my posts :err:
When did I state I preferred Olindo?? Didn't I state trading him was one of Cam's best moves!
Feeley is not known for his leg. He's accurate on short field goals.
He is listed tied for the 25th best. I stated above I would like a kicker like Feeley but with a stronger leg.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=FIELD_GOAL_KICKER&season=2007&seasonType=REG
That is why I'm on the fence with him. We were 1-15 I believe more than 1 position needs attention. But I wouldn't mind if Feeley stayed, although he is a slight liability on ST's IMO. (ST's meaning kickoffs)
Further evidence he's DEAD LAST on kickoffs.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...ence=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Find
First off, u listed stats for FGM . . . not accuracy . . . in accuracy he is listed as the 2nd most accurate kicker last year with atleast 20 FG attempts . . . . he also was 8 of 10 from 40+ . . . 1 for 1 from his only attempt above 50.
I even digged up the Touch Back %'s for u . . .
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/stats/2007/kickoffs/0_byTB_PCT.html
He is ranked 13th among kickers with atleast 20 KO's . . . with 8 touchbacks in 59 attempts . . . and tho he isn't close to Mare's Touch Back percentage . . . he is still in the upper half of kickers in this stat . . . not to mention the amount of onside kicks and short kicks because of poor special teams play obviously had some effect on this category.
I don't call being in the top half of the league in TB percentage and the 2nd most accurate kicker last year a "slight liability" as you put it. I call that a quality kicker, the best quality we have seen since Mare's early years with Miami.
Now I never said u preffered Mare over Feeley . . . but when you say you "prefer" a kicker with more leg on kickoffs . . . it seems as if you would lean towards Mare over Feeley on this team.
Actually I listed both from the 2007 season FG kicks and ST Kickoffs both links are there. :wink: I don’t know how and why you would want to try and break down a kicker’s accuracy all together I don’t believe that you can state a kicker who’s tried more 50+ kicks and missed should be tallied with a kicker that only tried and did one.
He’s 15th on kickoff’s with your link allowing 2 TD’s. I’m not impressed! Mare was 3rd (Stronger leg as I stated before which in turn started this debate) :wink:
I’m not going to break it down into certain catagories, ex. With atleast 10 ko’s 20 ko’s ball placed on 40 etc. A kickoff is a kickoff. I do understand we did some weird plays on ST’s last year (hey that’s another notch in cam’s worst moves
)He is 15th allowing 2 TD’s see above. I prefer Touch Backs when kicking that’s where my concern is/was. With your SI link he had a 13.6% So out of 100 times we’ll get Touch backs roughly 14 times. (Granted it was on 59 KO’s and some of our ST calls last year was absurd)
As I stated in the post that was overlooked a link to NFL.com’s KO rating per Kicker. Here it is again: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...ence=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Find
Notice Feely is Last? (They have him down with 66 KO’s unlike SI’s 59) Not mentioning the TD’s allowed (Not stating it just him, our players could always let’s say hmmm…tackle someone. He also had 3 kick’s go out of bounds. They also have him listed with a 12.1 TB percentage. With 6 onside kicks, average kicking distance 57.8 yards without the onside attempts. That is a “slight liability” IMO.
Sorry if I misunderstood prefer to “lean towards (as you stated)” which IMO are the same.
Yes I prefer Feely’s FG’s on short yardage. Long yardage could become a liability, KO’s IMO are already a slight liability. IMO that is why we have signed another kicker and could see us bringing another one in. (Not that we don’t always or shouldn’t always have competition.)
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