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Can A Team Overperform?

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I keep reading about a team over-performing. Is that a real possibility?

I can see how a team underperforms by not playing up to its capability, but how can a team play beyond it's capability?

I think when someone says a team over-performed it means they underestimated that teams capability and are trying to save face.
 
Ray R said:
I think when someone says a team over-performed it means they underestimated that teams capability and are trying to save face.
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I agree....The people who project or predict how a team is going to play based on stats and/or history...maybe even based on the upcoming schedule... their perceptions and analysis....

When a team exceeds those expectations they must have "over performed"...far be it to say ..... wow I was wrong about this team.....
 
I disagree, a team can overperform, across all sports you can often see a team hit a great patch of form for a couple of weeks then quickly fall off and never reach that point again. Leicester most certainly over performed to win the Premier League, most of those players will never even get close to that level again. They nearly got relegated a year later.

I think we overperfromed in Gase's first year, certainly in the second half of the season. I didn't think that roster was good enough for a playoff run and the next year they reverted to the norm. Even if Tannehill was on the field last year, plenty of players would still have lacked brains and the ability to line up properly or perform basic functions like tackling.
 
uk_dolfan said:
I disagree, a team can overperform, across all sports you can often see a team hit a great patch of form for a couple of weeks then quickly fall off and never reach that point again. Leicester most certainly over performed to win the Premier League, most of those players will never even get close to that level again. They nearly got relegated a year later.

I think we overperfromed in Gase's first year, certainly in the second half of the season. I didn't think that roster was good enough for a playoff run and the next year they reverted to the norm. Even if Tannehill was on the field last year, plenty of players would still have lacked brains and the ability to line up properly or perform basic functions like tackling.
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I don't agree that Leicester over performed. Each player clearly has that ability in them. It just happened that they reached their very top level at the exact same time. So they happened to perform to the very best of their ability. It also helped that every single other team underperformed that year.
 
mwestberry said:
I agree....The people who project or predict how a team is going to play based on stats and/or history...maybe even based on the upcoming schedule... their perceptions and analysis....

When a team exceeds those expectations they must have "over performed"...far be it to say ..... wow I was wrong about this team.....
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That's where the supposed limits come from. No one can do what they are not capable, when someone "over performs" they simply exceeded our expectations
 
uk_dolfan said:
I disagree, a team can overperform, across all sports you can often see a team hit a great patch of form for a couple of weeks then quickly fall off and never reach that point again. Leicester most certainly over performed to win the Premier League, most of those players will never even get close to that level again. They nearly got relegated a year later.

I think we overperfromed in Gase's first year, certainly in the second half of the season. I didn't think that roster was good enough for a playoff run and the next year they reverted to the norm. Even if Tannehill was on the field last year, plenty of players would still have lacked brains and the ability to line up properly or perform basic functions like tackling.
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I would call your example of over-performing as peaking; that is to say everybody operated at their best and in unison. I agree that this is a level that is not often maintained, but it is a level that they are not incapable of reaching. Since it is a high point that seldom lasts, I feel it is best described as a peak.
 
For me it's definitely possible to over achieve. Just look at the ncaa March maddess tournament every year there are teams deep in the tournament that don't belong because they played above their heads.


Edit: another great example would be in our own FH March Madness user @nick1 over achieved his way into the finals.
 
Hell yes you can over perform, I present to you the 2008 season in which we went 11-5. Clearly that was a fluke as we weren't able to get double digit wins again for 8 year after.
 
No. It's like overachieve. If a person or a team achieves something then that means they could achieve it. I can see a person/team not achieving as much as they could have but when you achieve something it means you could do it or else, you wouldn't have.
 
There is certainly over-achievement. Take Sparano's first year. That team was coming off a one win season and ran a gimmick offense. Still required some luck to go our way (Brady getting hurt especially).
 
I think teams can and routinely do over perform. Case in point the 2008 Dolphin team.

That team wasn't as good as they finished the year. It was year where 1) injuries were low 2) turnovers were high 3) QB play was consistent and 4) defense was adequate.

There was zero about that 2008 team that was great. Everything was OK to average and yet they reeled off a 9-1 run after a 2-4 start. That team way over preformed.
 
Blackcreekbandit said:
For me it's definitely possible to over achieve. Just look at the ncaa March maddess tournament every year there are teams deep in the tournament that don't belong because they played above their heads.


Edit: another great example would be in our own FH March Madness user @nick1 over achieved his way into the finals.
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How can you play over your heads though? It's simply not possible. It's like that "give 110%". Stupid saying. Not possible.

What it's an example of is people playing to the very best of their ability, and it happening across a number of players at the same time.

An example from my own life - I'm an average golfer. Currently have about a 9 index. If I go and shoot a +3, am I playing above my ability? Above my head? No. I've proven that to shoot +3 is within my ability, because I've done it. Is it the average I'm going to score when I play golf? Heck no. But, it's my ability, I have it within myself to shoot that score. I just won't do it very often.
 
Ray R said:
I keep reading about a team over-performing. Is that a real possibility?

I can see how a team underperforms by not playing up to its capability, but how can a team play beyond it's capability?

I think when someone says a team over-performed it means they underestimated that teams capability and are trying to save face.
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A team CAN over achieve just as a good team can have a bad game. For one game, not for a season
 
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