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Can someone explain Coyle's defensive scheme???

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I've been reading that Coyle wants our DLine to 2-gap. But I thought that Coyle was a 4-3 guy?

I know that the line between 4-3 and 3-4 has been blurred but is it common for a 4-3 defense to be predominantly a 2-gap scheme?
 
I didn't explain Coyle's scheme so to say but this might help.

A 4-3 defense is typically based on one gap principles. The benefit of having a single interior defensive lineman play a 2 gap assignment is that it frees up an extra defender to make a play on the ball.

Commonly, modern offenses seen these days often present an 11 personnel package (1 RB, 1 TE) were there are 7 gaps to be accounted for by the defenses front 7. If you can scheme either your 1 or 3 tech DL to play a 2 gap assignment then, generally speaking, this will allow your MLB to roam and attack the ballcarrier as opposed to being responsible for one of the 7 gaps in the run game.

Now let's say the offense comes out in a 12 personnel package (1 RB, 2 TE). Defenses now have 8 gaps that need to accounted for. Again, the same principles apply, but in this situation the MLB will need to be responsible for the 8th gap but the SS can play in the box and become the free defender vs the run.

A 22 personnel package (2 RB, 2 TE) requires the defense's full attention vs run with every one along the front 7 plus a secondary member to account for a gap because the extra back (typically FB) now creates a 9th gap has he lead blocks.

Of course these responsibilities vs the run game can be delegated differently between defenders with the 2 gap assignment rotated on the defensive line and the free defender between the LB's or Safeties as it depends on either how you want to attack the offense or to simply change up the look in order to keep the offense honest or off balance. In passing situations these principles can allow for free blitzers as well.

Our defensive issues have arisen from being too simplistic. We can be easily ID'd pre-snap and we don't provide challenges to the opposing offenses with varied looks nor do we try to do anything to mask our weaknesses. It's there for the taking for offenses to exploit.

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...scheme&p=1065529205&highlight=#post1065529205
 
Coyle's scheme is a 4-3 but assigns two-gap responsibility to the lineman, specifically Ndamukong Suh.

In the simplest way I can explain, a two-gap defender has responsibility in diagnosing the offenses' blocking schemes and trying to take on multiple blockers on both sides, or both "gaps", as well as watching for the running backs and quarterback. It's primarily used in a 3-4 system with a space-eating nose tackle taking up the gaps between the guards. Linebackers in the 3-4 often provide the pass rush, as seen in defenses like Pittsburgh's.

A one-gap defender primarily focuses on just the blocker, or gap, in front of him, trying to beat the blocker and applying the pass rush. Ndamukong Suh was so successful in Detroit because he was in a one-gap 4-3 scheme, with another pass rushing tackle in Nick Fairley right beside him. Suh focused on one blocker in order to rush the passer and collapse the pocket.

One gap and two gap are not mutually exclusive to a specific defense, however, as Coyle has shown us. If Coyle were to go back to a traditional one-gap assignment to the defensive line, perhaps the unit would improve, rather than relying on the linebackers and defensive backs to stop runners and apply pass rush (ask Reshad Jones, the one guy who is consistently in the backfield)

More info here: http://www.xsosfootball.com/one-gap-and-two-gap-techniques/
 
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I didn't explain Coyle's scheme so to say but this might help.

Thanks Sons of Shula.

It seems obvious that with the talent we have on the D line and the lack of talent that we have in our LB corps that you would want to allow the dline to penetrate and the the LBs to clean up whatever gets through. So it makes me feel like I must be missing something.

I've always been a proponent of a 4-3 over a 3-4 because I feel like the defense should impose their will in the box rather than waiting for the offense to tip their hand.

Well hopefully we'll get it figured out over the next two weeks. I'd love to see more of Jordan Phillips as well.

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I've been reading that Coyle wants our DLine to 2-gap. But I thought that Coyle was a 4-3 guy?

I know that the line between 4-3 and 3-4 has been blurred but is it common for a 4-3 defense to be predominantly a 2-gap scheme?

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Thanks Sons of Shula.

It seems obvious that with the talent we have on the D line and the lack of talent that we have in our LB corps that you would want to allow the dline to penetrate and the the LBs to clean up whatever gets through. So it makes me feel like I must be missing something.

I've always been a proponent of a 4-3 over a 3-4 because I feel like the defense should impose their will in the box rather than waiting for the offense to tip their hand.

Well hopefully we'll get it figured out over the next two weeks. I'd love to see more of Jordan Phillips as well.

Fins up

No matter what scheme you use, if you have people out there that are not starting caliber players your defense is going to suffer. Coyle has taken that to a new level this year with not being to get anything out of most of the starting caliber guys
 
No matter what scheme you use, if you have people out there that are not starting caliber players your defense is going to suffer. Coyle has taken that to a new level this year with not being to get anything out of most of the starting caliber guys

Truth. The Miami Dolphins organization is very kind to offer a starting NFL job to the likes of Kelvin Sheppard, Brice McCain and Walt Aikens, although they shouldn't have one. Granted, in my opinion. McCain is playing out of position as an outside starting corner, and belongs as a nickle or dime corner as he was in Pittsburgh. Jamar Taylor should be starting opposite Brent Grimes, but who knows why he isn't, despite his reputation for below-average play.
 
8 man front playing cover 3 or cover 1 (man-free), with soft (off) corners. Sometimes mix in a little 2 man under, quarters, and quarter quarter half in obvious passing situations. A lot of stunts and twists and slants up front that don't get free runners to the QB and often leave 2 defenders in the same gap in the run game.
 
I say we go super aggressive and go press cover 1 all day. our front plays one gap and wreaks havoc on 1 on 1s, we could mix in either blitzes or zones in the middle with our LBs, let Resahd roam the field, Grimes and Taylor in the pads of their Wrs, and Aikens over the top (who I hope does his homework over the bye). Like Campbell is saying, hey if one gets through our hands so be it, that won't stop us from coming at you, we'll take our chances. There is no way OV, Mitchell, Suh, Wake shouldn't be one of the best lines in this league, we need to let the other team know that we aren't holding these guys back anymore, and this is where I think our LB scheme has to be very creative in order to keep our line constantly free. We should be blitzing Misi/Sheppard a lot more to free up the rush, I can live with Jenkins and Jones roaming the intermediate routes or the occasional Misi/Sheppard drop back into coverage; they should never be 1 on 1 with someone in coverage. Overall, I think Cover 1 just fits us more naturally.
 
Not so sure our d-line is as special as people think. Wake is getting old and has lost a couple of steps. Vernon is average and certainly overrated. Mitchell is nothing special either. Suh is far and away better than all of them. I would rather see a guy like Jordan Phillips starting next to Suh and bench Mitchell.
 
2 pages and no tecmo bowl pic inserted? You guys are slacking!
 
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