Can we re-build the right way, please?!

[somethingsfishy]

C'mon let's be real! The only way Miami is going to turn this thing around is through a consistent 2-3 year span of drafting 6-8 quality players, that not only make the roster but dedicate their souls to winning. And as the club builds, it adds a 'sprinkling' of hungry, quality veterans to complement its young talent pool. Take a look at today's winning ball clubs. There's no mistaking it, each one of them experienced down time for re-building: Cincy, Chicago, Philly, NE etc. It was a slow and painful 'process' for those teams, but man, their fans are now reaping the pure unadulterated joy that we as diehards yearn to embody.

 

[vinivedivichi]

C'mon let's be real! The only way Miami is going to turn this thing around is through a consistent 2-3 year span of drafting 6-8 quality players, that not only make the roster but dedicate their souls to winning. And as the club builds, it adds a 'sprinkling' of hungry, quality veterans to complement its young talent pool. Take a look at today's winning ball clubs. There's no mistaking it, each one of them experienced down time for re-building: Cincy, Chicago, Philly, NE etc. It was a slow and painful 'process' for those teams, but man, their fans are now reaping the pure unadulterated joy that we as diehards yearn to embody.

I don't know if this is what you are trying to say, but isn't that what Saban is doing?

 

[somethingsfishy]

Sorry... Let me clarify - a three year span of drafting annually 6 to 8 quality players.

 

[Ryan1973]

Sorry... Let me clarify - a three year span of drafting annually 6 to 8 quality players.

I agree with that. By doing it that way, that would mean around 18 to 24 good young players by year 3. That would be over half the roster. The only thing standing in the way is Saban. I don't know if he is that great as a talent evaluator. I think a real GM would help in that matter.

 

[vinivedivichi]

Sorry... Let me clarify - a three year span of drafting annually 6 to 8 quality players.

Depends on your definition of quality. From my estimation we have probably 8 either current or eventual starters from the past couple of drafts. I bet there aren't many teams who have done better in that span. If you can get 2 starters and a couple of guys for depth from every draft you are doing good. The reason we're hurting now is we had almost nothing from the Wannstedt drafts.

 

[zonk4ever]

Can we re-build the right way, please?!
C'mon let's be real! The only way Miami is going to turn this thing around is through a consistent 2-3 year span of drafting 6-8 quality players, that not only make the roster but dedicate their souls to winning. And as the club builds, it adds a 'sprinkling' of hungry, quality veterans to complement its young talent pool. Take a look at today's winning ball clubs. There's no mistaking it, each one of them experienced down time for re-building: Cincy, Chicago, Philly, NE etc. It was a slow and painful 'process' for those teams, but man, their fans are now reaping the pure unadulterated joy that we as diehards yearn to embody.

sounds good in theory...

 

[vinivedivichi]

I agree with that. By doing it that way, that would mean around 18 to 24 good young players by year 3. That would be over half the roster. The only thing standing in the way is Saban. I don't know if he is that great as a talent evaluator. I think a real GM would help in that matter.

Give me a break....our last two drafts have been as productive as any teams'. If when you say "quality," you mean starters, dream on. There isn't a team in the league that gets 6-8 starters in any draft - let alone for 3 years straight.

 

[LSSpam]

Give me a break....our last two drafts have been as productive as any teams'. If when you say "quality," you mean starters, dream on. There isn't a team in the league that gets 6-8 starters in any draft - let alone for 3 years straight.

Well the Saints acquired Bush, Roman Harper (starting SS), Jahri Evans (starting RG), Colston (starting WR) as well as two backups (Zach Strief and Rob Ninkovich) and traded down twice (in the 2nd and the 4th) to get two more starters (Hollis Thomas DT and Jeff Faine C).

Not technically 6 drafted starters but it was 6 starters out of a draft.

 

[Bofin]

true, but is saban the man for the job or should he give personnel decision making to mueller.

 

[Ryan1973]

Give me a break....our last two drafts have been as productive as any teams'. If when you say "quality," you mean starters, dream on. There isn't a team in the league that gets 6-8 starters in any draft - let alone for 3 years straight.

How can you say the last two drafts have been that productive when we haven't seen many of these players perform yet? I like Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder, but the rest is to be determined. You don't know anymore than I do to how the rest will turn out. That was a stupid comment.

 

[somethingsfishy]

No. I believe he didn't place enough emphasis on the draft. Yes, he did bring in some quality rooks, but for the sake of this club's future, he didn't emphasize collecting additonal draft picks. Example - you're 4-12 and you still have some quality players (Zach, JT, McMichael etc.) in your pocket that you could possibly move for additional picks. I know, I know, I make it sound so simple. But even so, if you're a quality GM/Coach you find a way to 'git her done!' I believe in Saban. I just think he may have veered a bit off course this past off-season by relenting too many picks for veterans with issues. He'll turn it around but it may take longer than originally planned.

 

[Fresh]

Right now I don't even how many games we win. I hope we don't finish with 6 wins again or some crap like that.. it's truly meaningless. We need another top 5 pick on this team, and we're gonna need a high second rounder for another big potential guy.

Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas = the answer to the future, or at least a start.

I also like Leon Hall & Gaines Adams.

 

[Ryan1973]

Right now I don't even how many games we win. I hope we don't finish with 6 wins again or some crap like that.. it's truly meaningless. We need another top 5 pick on this team, and we're gonna need a high second rounder for another big potential guy.

Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas = the answer to the future, or at least a start.

I totally agree with you on that. But they probably will start to win some games at the end of the season because the pressure will be off. They seem to do well then. Its just that they can't win when there is pressure on them. They fold like a house of cards. But they do need a top 5 pick.

 

[vinivedivichi]

How can you say the last two drafts have been that productive when we haven't seen many of these players perform yet? I like Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder, but the rest is to be determined. You don't know anymore than I do to how the rest will turn out. That was a stupid comment.

Please don't call my comment stupid when you are using ******ed logic. Here's a question...how do you expect 6-8 quality players from every draft when we start with 7 draft picks? If we don't trade down every pick should be a quality pick? That sounds kinda stupid to me.

 

[TexanPhinatic]

Yes please rebuild the right way. Basically, and i hate to admit, but do it like the Patriots. Get a young and talented team, with a smart coach and coordinators, and a SMART TALENTED QB! Tom Brady is the backbone of that team and their fortunes are tied to his. Brady Quinn anyone?
Failing that Joe Thomas would be nice (look at how the Jets are doing after adding 2 picks to their line) or a true #1 WR (CC is not a 1, hes a 2, a really good 2, but a 2).
But add young quality talent, with solid hungry vets who can teach and inspire. Get some ppl with passion, coach em up and let them play. It will take time, but it needs to be done.