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So we have the same interior LBs this year, the same NT, with MAYBE a youngen that can step in and spell him well enough, though, we did bring in some hard hitting safeties. Did we do enough to stop other teams from just cramming the football inside and picking up 5 yards? or to keep the damn QB's from running a delayed sneak? that friggen qb draw must have given up 5 touchdowns without anyone getting a hand on the QB?
 
Wilson is such a better player than Hill was so he will help against the run but as far as the front 7 goes that's a very good question. Hopefully Langford and Merling step up in their 2nd season.
 
if this were an issue, the old guard cliques on this board would have already thought of it. how dare you!!
 
not stopping the quarterbacks on those draws is not a talent issue...they were scheme/assignment/execution issues
 
Our secondary was so bad last year that our linebackers had to help in coverage.

Hopefully with the addition of Wilson, Green, Davis, Smith, and Clemons, our secondary will be much better this year, allowing the linebackers to focus more on shutting down the run and/or getting after the QB.

Theoretically, if we can leave our corners on an island, it will allow us to stack the box with more defenders, and thereby either overload the O-line with a pass rush or stuff the gaps on runs.
 
frostyphin84 said:
So we have the same interior LBs this year, the same NT, with MAYBE a youngen that can step in and spell him well enough, though, we did bring in some hard hitting safeties. Did we do enough to stop other teams from just cramming the football inside and picking up 5 yards? or to keep the damn QB's from running a delayed sneak? that friggen qb draw must have given up 5 touchdowns without anyone getting a hand on the QB?
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our problem was pass defense not run defense. see c wake and our draft. problelm solved.
 
burger13 said:
not stopping the quarterbacks on those draws is not a talent issue...they were scheme/assignment/execution issues
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I agree it's an execution issue, but if you dont have the right talent, you'll always have an execution issue, if you cant diagnose a play(talent) you will never execute it correctly. also, id be willing to bet that sparano/parcells spent quite a bit of time making the correct schemes and assignments for those plays.

enduro said:
our problem was pass defense not run defense. see c wake and our draft. problelm solved.
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we did have 40 sacks last year, thats not a terrible #, granted we need someone other than porter to step-up and make big impacts, but the run defense was an issue when it came time to man up and end a drive. There were just too many times the other team was able to score or sustain a drive by taking it right up the gut...
 
frostyphin84 said:
So we have the same interior LBs this year, the same NT, with MAYBE a youngen that can step in and spell him well enough, though, we did bring in some hard hitting safeties. Did we do enough to stop other teams from just cramming the football inside and picking up 5 yards? or to keep the damn QB's from running a delayed sneak? that friggen qb draw must have given up 5 touchdowns without anyone getting a hand on the QB?
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Personally I don't believe we did enough. We are very thin at NT and we didn't upgrade our ILB corps at all. We are still very susceptible to that QB draw. I'd feel a lot better about it if we drafted Dorrell Scott, Vance Walker, Frantz Joseph, or Robert Francois.

However Langford and Merling should improve from Year 1 to Year 2. That could make a difference.
 
Given the players we have I can only assume that they plan on pulling the safeties up and using them in run support more often in short yardage/goal line situations. or having wake on the outside maybe moving Roth inward as he is a better run stuffer, but overall i dont think we made much of an improvement, and i pray I get proved wrong...
 
frostyphin84 said:
So we have the same interior LBs this year, the same NT, with MAYBE a youngen that can step in and spell him well enough, though, we did bring in some hard hitting safeties. Did we do enough to stop other teams from just cramming the football inside and picking up 5 yards? or to keep the damn QB's from running a delayed sneak? that friggen qb draw must have given up 5 touchdowns without anyone getting a hand on the QB?
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Hellavu question, one I keep thinking about every time I look at our starting front 7.. I put it to myself this way, this is year 2 for Langford, Roth, and Channing in the same positions.. should I expect to see improvement. Common sense says yes, a person should be better at something the 2nd time around.. In most blitz packages I saw last year, Channing only fake the blitz and went in coverage.. I kept wondering how many times will he go in cover vs actually blitz.. When I look at the guy he has speed and the ability to get to the QB in the few times I've seen him blitz, much better than Zach in this part of the game..but Zach had better timing in terms of when to go..but Zach kept running right into a blocker..Channing does a better job of avoiding blockers on his way in. I want to tell myself it was scheme that kept us from getting to the QB..and was it because the backend wasn't able to hold up or what I don't know.. I can't say I studied our game tape that closely.... Now back to my rant...it's the DE's and NT's job to collapse the pocket and the LB's jobs to get to the QB...only Porter did that consistently..question? did Merling and Langford do a good job of collapsing the pocket, since they were the primary DE's on passing downs.. or did the DE's not occupy the amount of OLmen they were suppose to have..and thus allowed OL to pickup our blitzers.. Someone who has tape need to chime in on this.. Whatever the situation the scheme where the DL is suppose to stop a QB draw where the recievers are lineup outside to include backs..needs to be corrected.. that Houston game came down to that, and the pats took advantage of it.
 
As long as they don't run at Joey! Joey is not the best run defender, but also Holliday is gone too. Makes me worry that side is a little soft.
 
frostyphin84 said:
we did have 40 sacks last year, thats not a terrible #...
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It is the total amount of QB pressures that count not sacks. Our QB pressure totals were not very good. Our front seven is probably not better than last year, but I expect the secondary to be considerably better. They cannot do everything at once.
 
Avigatorx said:
Our secondary was so bad last year that our linebackers had to help in coverage.
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WOW!!! I cannot believe you actually wrote something like this.

Linebackers, when they are not blitzing, always help the secondary in coverage. They help cover the underneath routes as well as the tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverages.


PS: Our secondary wasn't as bad as many think it was. Yes they gave up a lot of yards but the fact they finished in the Top 10 in QB passer ratings, passs defensed and interceptions said they played pretty well, at times.
 
Geforce said:
WOW!!! I cannot believe you actually wrote something like this.

Linebackers, when they are not blitzing, always help the secondary in coverage. They help cover the underneath routes as well as the tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverages.


PS: Our secondary wasn't as bad as many think it was. Yes they gave up a lot of yards but the fact they finished in the Top 10 in QB passer ratings, passs defensed and interceptions said they played pretty well, at times.
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Yeah but a lot of that can be attributed to our pass rush. When we faced players like moss, boldin, and fitz we got toasted
 
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