Can't we have clauses in coordinators clauses to keep them from leaving?

[Fin-Loco]

I'm sure some mod will want to merge this but hear me out first. Over the last decade we have lost countless coordintaors due to promotion. Gailey, Turner, Linehan are the ones that I clearly remember. This has caused our offense to need to constantly learn new systems which has translated to us not winning as much as we would if we had continuity at the coordinator position.

Isn't it possible to hold the coordinators to some type of term in their contracts? I mean it's great and all to see our coordinators get those great jobs (which they seem to then get fired from because they just don't have what it takes to be a head coach (Linehan is 5-8 at this point and Gailey and Turner were fired from 2 different teams as HC)). But their contract should hold them for at least three years unless termintaed by the team. I know that the Chucky trade result was that no longer can you swap picks for coaches but does that apply to coordinators? Even if it does, shouldn't the team be monetarily compensated towards the cap?

I ask these questions because at some point Mularkey or Capers might be lured away or maybe some other coordinator in the future and I don't want to see the team have to learn a new system.

Let's please focus on the main question and not turn this into an anti or pro Mularkey/Capers thread.

 

[PhinsRock]

Agree, hated to lose Linehan. If nothing else, why can't we at least get some draft pick compensation like NE gave Jets when they stole Bellichick?

Good post/thread.

 

[muscle979]

I think you'd have a hard time hiring a top coordinator if there was a clause forbidding them to leave for a better job.

 

[cheekychap]

No, it is not possible to hold coordinators in assistant coach positions. And it isn't fair to them either. I have long believed that most assitants make rotten head coaches, and the only way teams can find a good one is to hire bad ones along the way (ala Wannstedt) or a proven head coach that left their team (Shula, Johnson, Saban, even George Wilson had success as coach of the Lions before the Dolphins existed).

If they fall flat on their face after becoming head coaches, then let's hire them back when they are available (ala Turner, who could have been hired back). Coordinators don't swap jobs without a promotion.

I think we are safe with Mularkey and Capers. One was a mediocre head coach who is is not proving that they are a good choice as an offensive coordinator. The other is a mediocre head coach who has failed as a head coach with two teams - and does not deserve a third chance, regardless of his ability to call blitzes.

As far as Bill Belichick is concerned, he was the head coach for the Jets very, very briefly - like 24 hours if that, and that is why New England had to surrender a pick. Had nothing to do with Belichick as a coordinator. Belichick was to be Parcells replacement, and something happened (I don't know) and Groh took his place.:dolphins:

 

[FrankP]

I'm pretty sure we won't be losing this one for another job...

 

[Fin-Loco]

I think you'd have a hard time hiring a top coordinator if there was a clause forbidding them to leave for a better job.

I don't agree with you. Often in business, you're required to remain in your new position for X amount of time or pay back certain things. If your only reason for taking the job is for it to lead to the next job then you're probably not the right guy. If you're taking the job so that you can do an A+ job and prove yourself to other teams by having honor and integrity to live out your contract and then go off and get promoted, then you're the guy for us.

The Dolphins have had way too much flux at the coordinator position over the years. The games we spend adapting to a new system are games we could instead be winning.

If we'd one more game this year we'd be going to the playoffs if we win out.

 

[hof13]

I don't agree with you. Often in business, you're required to remain in your new position for X amount of time or pay back certain things. If your only reason for taking the job is for it to lead to the next job then you're probably not the right guy. If you're taking the job so that you can do an A+ job and prove yourself to other teams by having honor and integrity to live out your contract and then go off and get promoted, then you're the guy for us.

The Dolphins have had way too much flux at the coordinator position over the years. The games we spend adapting to a new system are games we could instead be winning.

If we'd one more game this year we'd be going to the playoffs if we win out.

Well, sure, if a company pays to relocate you then you need to stay a certain period of time or repay the costs.

But think of the NFL as the company and the team as a department. You think it's fair that if you do a really good job with the company, you're not allowed to apply for a promotion with a different department for at least three years?

 

[DolfanCole]

I think that it's actually written that an organization can't hold them back or deny coordinators if they are interviewing for positions that are considered promotions (i.e., coordinator to head coach). But if it's a lateral move, then the organization does have the right to deny them.

I also think that teams are trying to circumvent the rule to an extent by attaching additional titles to coordinators to ensure that the only promotion would be to a head coach position. For instance, if a coordinator also has the title of assistant head coach, then it's clear that anything less than a head coach position would not be a promotion.

 

[DolfanCole]

I'm pretty sure we won't be losing this one for another job...

I'm with you there. And for two reasons, (1) the coordinators have not done that great of a job to deserve it; and (2) both coordinators were just head coaches and failed. You can make the argument that Capers has done very well with the defense, but I doubt seriously that anybody is ready to give him a head coaching job after two unsuccessful outings, the most recent being last year.

 

[Geforce]

You don't need to have a clause in the contract to forbid a coordinator from leaving. All you have to do is not give permission for other teams to talk to them. New England did it for years in keeping their coordinators.

 

[IluvJuMiami]

I'm with you there. And for two reasons, (1) the coordinators have not done that great of a job to deserve it; and (2) both coordinators were just head coaches and failed. You can make the argument that Capers has done very well with the defense, but I doubt seriously that anybody is ready to give him a head coaching job after two unsuccessful outings, the most recent being last year.

If I'm Arizona, I definitely consider giving Capers a HC position. But our D was stellar before Capers and will be stellar afterwards. IMO, we blitzed entirely too often in the first half of the season and had little success getting to the QB. Still, Capers is a great football mind and that never hurts.

 

[Geforce]

If I'm Arizona, I definitely consider giving Capers a HC position. But our D was stellar before Capers and will be stellar afterwards. IMO, we blitzed entirely too often in the first half of the season and had little success getting to the QB. Still, Capers is a great football mind and that never hurts.

We are blitzing just as much now as we did earlier in the season. The difference now is that the players finally understand HOW Capers wants them to do it. It's about understanding assignment and taking care of your responsibilities. Too many times you would see guys not staying in their rush lanes, running into each other and getting stacked at the line of scrimmage. Now the defensive lineman understand that if they stay in their lanes they will be singled block and can use their abilities to get to the QB or allow someone else to get to. It worked so well against NE that Brady was seen yelling at his offensive linemen to block someone.

 

[Coral Reefer]

I think that it's actually written that an organization can't hold them back or deny coordinators if they are interviewing for positions that are considered promotions (i.e., coordinator to head coach). But if it's a lateral move, then the organization does have the right to deny them.

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I agree.
I've heard this mentioned many times before but I would not know where to find this in writing on the internet.

It's the way it should be also.
All teams have to deal with the potential of their coordinators leaving.

You'd be a first rate heal if you tried to stop a guy from making a promotion in his career anyway. No way they should impede these guys from promotions if there is interest in them.

Saban's approach in keeping all the terminology for the players is a smart one and one that was long overdue IMO.
Helps minimize the loss of a coordinator.

 

[Fin-Loco]

Well, sure, if a company pays to relocate you then you need to stay a certain period of time or repay the costs.

But think of the NFL as the company and the team as a department. You think it's fair that if you do a really good job with the company, you're not allowed to apply for a promotion with a different department for at least three years?

If that were the clause in your contract, yes. Ultimately the department ends up paying the price to replace you after such a short time. I do admit that should we use my scenario, the coordinators should be well paid.

 

[Fin-Loco]

You don't need to have a clause in the contract to forbid a coordinator from leaving. All you have to do is not give permission for other teams to talk to them. New England did it for years in keeping their coordinators.

They didn't deny permission. League rule says that you cannot contact coaches on teams that haven't finished their seasons. In that the Patriots were in the playoffs and the teams wishing to talk to the coordinators on the patriots were not, they were denied permission at that specific time. Had those teams waited until after the patriots were either eliminated or won the super bowl there would have been nothing the Patriots could have done about it. But, those teams were trying to get the jump on good coaches and couldn't wait and put all their egs in the Weis, Crenell baskets.