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It turns out the Elway propaganda has been found out (from the Professional Football Researchers Association):

http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic=210&st=20

Italics are mine.

"I happened to be looking at the HOF web-site under "Pro Football History". It lists all of the "record 47 fourth quarter come-from-behind comebacks" that Elway supposedly achieved. This material was provided to the HOF by the Broncos. Apparently, the statisticians at the HOF never questioned this material. Apparently, no one has ever questioned Elway's totals!

Well, I did. I knew that Elway had one tie game on his resume---against Green Bay in 1987. That, obviously, could not be classified as a comeback win. The rest of it astounded me. Eleven of the games were games in which the losing team rallied from behind in the fourth quarter to tie the Broncos before eventually losing. The Broncos were never behind at any time during the fourth quarter of these eleven games! Additionally, as the information clearly pointed out, Elway was injured and replaced by Gary Kubiak in the winning drive against the Seahawks on Dec. 20, 1985. Even though Elway was mostly responsible for the comeback win, Kubiak was the QB when the game was decided. Kubiak gets credit for the comeback win, not Elway.

What does this mean? John Elway had 34 comeback wins (12 in road games; 22 at home) during his career---not 47. That also means that the record for comeback wins belongs to Dan Marino who had 37---that is if the Dolphins didn't also pad his record. I don't think they did as they seemed specifically to separate legitimate comebacks (37) from games that were tied by the losing team in the fourth quarter, but in which the Dolphins were never behind (13)."
 
Someone needs to send this to espn, the HOF and the commisioner. If this is correct it needs to be updated asap.

Funny, but Dan is still breaking records 8 years into retirement...
 
We should have a senate sub committee look into this! Seriously, this is some pretty interesting information. It would be nice to find out the facts.
 
mullingan said:
We should have a senate sub committee look into this! Seriously, this is some pretty interesting information. It would be nice to find out the facts.
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Absolutely, send it to Senator Spector in Philly......when he's done with spygate...
 
My wife is a diehard Brocos fan. I just told her about your research and then told her that Elway was a fraud. My face still stings, but it was well worth it.
 
uncoug said:
My wife is a diehard Brocos fan. I just told her about your research and then told her that Elway was a fraud. My face still stings, but it was well worth it.
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:sidelol:...well here's a :beer1: on me for your slap in the face.
 
uncoug said:
My wife is a diehard Brocos fan. I just told her about your research and then told her that Elway was a fraud. My face still stings, but it was well worth it.
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:lol::up: Right on Brother. But you should have been smarter. I married a fellow dolphin fan.
 
jgpence17 said:
Farve has 38 now so the point is moot
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Not completely, I'm happy for the ammo to use here in the Mile High City...
I get the "How many rings did Marino win?" all the time here. I always tell them, "Elway didn't win any rings, but he was on the team when Terrell Davis did." (Let's not forget they cheated to win those as well with the salary cap violations)
 
jgpence17 said:
Farve has 38 now so the point is moot
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Not necessarily so. From the same thread:

"I said in a previous post under this topic that well-known QBs like Brett Favre should be easy to document. Boy, was I mistaken! I've spent the last 3 hours trying to document his comebacks. The only thing I've been able to confirm are the results of Mr. McKinley's research---Favre had 16 comebacks between 1996-2005...
The problem is that various web sites, including the Packers web site, have all sorts of numbers---36, 38, 40--- concerning Favre's comeback totals. Part of the problem is obvious---whoever wrote up Favre's year-by-year biographies for tthe Packers counted overtime games which were either tied at the end of 3 quarters or were tied by the opposing team in the 4th quarter---in other words, games that the Packers were never really behind in the 4th quarter. The Cowboys web site did the exact same thing for Roger Staubach giving him credit for 7 comebacks in games which the Cowboys were never behind...
So, what on the surface seems a sure bet, isn't a sure bet at all and, in fact, is difficult to ascertain."

Apparently, he can confirm all of Favres comebacks dating back to 96, but,

"Several questions remain. How accurate is that figure of 17 comebacks between 1992-95?"

Maybe this is why he himself says Marino is the all-time leader in comebacks, since he believes the official site to have greater credibility because it explicitly states the conditions for counting a comeback as such.
 
I mean, I am no statistician (Lord knows I am not perfect :boohoo:), but it seems like the counter arguments made against the whole endeavor on the part of the post in that forum, while occasionally rude were spot on. There seems to be very little well thought out standard for why people decide what a comeback win is, and how you can even credit one man with it (especially, as pointed out, the defense must play an equally important role keeping the other team from scoring or running out the clock).

It was an interesting read though.
 
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