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Chad Henne Era OVER in Miami. Franchise QB #1 Priority

Rhetorical question?

Big difference between getting it and being able to draft it.

Aside from 2008, the current FO hasn't had the opportunity to draft a top talent QB and I'd lay the blame on Parcells for that one (2008).

The best of 2009-2011, Bradford, Stafford, Newton and Locker were never options.

The rest of the QB's (2009-2011) the Dolphins may have had a shot at drafting are degrees of slightly better or slightly worse than Henne and I don't think any of them are going to be long-term franchise QB's for the teams they are currently with.

On the bright side, week by week the Dolphins are getting closer to finally getting that QB.

How many times have the Dolphins had the first pick in the draft? What are the chances really of getting that pick now? 4% maybe?

Never count on a 4% chance of saving yourself.

I way of improving those odds are with draft picks or players to trade. This is one reason that I would trade P Soliai and B Marshall. If we get a couple of 2nd rounds picks for them, we would have a much better chance of getting the QB we want in the draft.

The difference between us having the 6th pick and the 1st pick is HUGE. As I hope most of us realize, other teams also want QB A Luck.

Again...I hate to bring madden into this.......But I have the Dolphins in 4 online franchises (I took the Panthers in one) and all are using Myleaguemanger.net so all the salaries, contracts, free agents etc are pretty much the same as in the real NFL.

First thing I did (when possible because they were hard to trade) was trade away P Soliai (too much money and I play a 4-3) and Brandon Marshall (too much money and a lack of speed). I was even able to trade C Henne is two of the leagues.

First thing I do as a new "owner" or "GM" is to cut salary, trade or release older players like Colombo etc. In the draft i'm going to be looking for a franchise QB. D Thomas is getting a 100 yards per game for me, Bush does little.

We should expect this team to be blown up when a new HC and GM comes in.
 
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Spesh you will see that last years class is nowheres as good as his years class of QBs think quality over quantity - we have all our early draft picks Henne is signed to back up or he walks either is good
 
No they don't get it! We need a totally new regime before we can expect any success. The bottom line is this FO office has no clue what talent looks like!
 
Spesh you will see that last years class is nowheres as good as his years class of QBs think quality over quantity - we have all our early draft picks Henne is signed to back up or he walks either is good

I have seen nothing to suggest this years class will be that much better then last years.
Luck is a once in a generation type prospect, but other then that the rest of the group has just as many flaws as any other year. Cam Newton has been an absolute homerun. Andy Dalton has secured the starting position for the next few years. If Ponder, Locker, Mallet, or Kaepernick step up then it will have tied some of the best QB classes in recent history. If 2 of those players steps up, then it will have been one of the best in the history of the game.

This past years class wasn't quantity over quality, it was "beauty in the eyes of the beholder". Each prospect had his strengths and flaws, and it was up to each individual front office to determine what they could coach up and fix. Miami decided to pass on them. And that is one of the many reasons why we haven't won a game.
 
The team's needs and the flavor of the draft have been out of sinc for the last few years.
The year we drafted all defense there were tons of great O players. Heck New England found 2 good TE's while we drafted mostly linebackers after Odrick. Last draft we went almost all offensive ignoring many good defenders.
The next draft finally is in sinc with our main need as several good QB's should be available when we pick.
QB is oviously our number one need and I think we get our guy this time around.
 
I am tired of everyone saying that the Dolphins should have taken Matt Ryan with the first pick. He would have been a dead man behind the Dolphins' offensive line minus Jake Long. He would look like a bust. People forget that he has a very good offensive line in Atlanta.
 
I have seen nothing to suggest this years class will be that much better then last years.
Luck is a once in a generation type prospect, but other then that the rest of the group has just as many flaws as any other year. Cam Newton has been an absolute homerun. Andy Dalton has secured the starting position for the next few years. If Ponder, Locker, Mallet, or Kaepernick step up then it will have tied some of the best QB classes in recent history. If 2 of those players steps up, then it will have been one of the best in the history of the game.

This past years class wasn't quantity over quality, it was "beauty in the eyes of the beholder". Each prospect had his strengths and flaws, and it was up to each individual front office to determine what they could coach up and fix. Miami decided to pass on them. And that is one of the many reasons why we haven't won a game.

Wow. Exaggerate much? The only qb that has shown anything from last draft is Cam. Maybe the other qbs become studs, maybe not but to even speculate about it being one of the best all time qb drafts is extremely overstating things. Right now, besides Cam they are all a bunch of prospects. And us not drafting a qb last draft has absolutely nothing to do with us being 0-4.
 
Watch us still have Ireland running the draft in 2012. He will not draft a QB in Round 1 but will probably draft an o-lineman or a passrusher. Then he'll say "we felt like there were a lot of good QBs in the draft so there was no need to grab one in the 1st round".
 
Wow. Exaggerate much? The only qb that has shown anything from last draft is Cam. Maybe the other qbs become studs, maybe not but to even speculate about it being one of the best all time qb drafts is extremely overstating things. Right now, besides Cam they are all a bunch of prospects. And us not drafting a qb last draft has absolutely nothing to do with us being 0-4.

Why couldn't it be considered among the best in history? The 2004 draft produced 3 elite quarterbacks in Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Bathroom Ben. The 1983 draft produced elite quarterbacks in Dan Marino, John Elway, and Jim Kelly.
If Ponder or others step up the way Dalton and Newton have, why should this class be with held from consideration? And if 2 rookies step up, then having 4 quarterbacks become starters is pretty unprecedented(off the top of my head i cant recall another class producing 4 QB's). I see no reason to ignore this group of prospects simply because Miami did.

And we are averaging a single touchdown a game and we have no quarterback. Either immediately or in the future. And that has nothing to do with being 0-4? Right.
 
Why couldn't it be considered among the best in history? The 2004 draft produced 3 elite quarterbacks in Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Bathroom Ben. The 1983 draft produced elite quarterbacks in Dan Marino, John Elway, and Jim Kelly.
If Ponder or others step up the way Dalton and Newton have, why should this class be with held from consideration? And if 2 rookies step up, then having 4 quarterbacks become starters is pretty unprecedented(off the top of my head i cant recall another class producing 4 QB's). I see no reason to ignore this group of prospects simply because Miami did.

And we are averaging a single touchdown a game and we have no quarterback. Either immediately or in the future. And that has nothing to do with being 0-4? Right.

Because you are making a huge leap. Fine if last years drafts produces 3 elite qbs than it will be one of the best ever but I see no indications thats whats happening. Cam looks great but is not an elite qb yet. He's not on the level of Brees, Brady, Manning, Rodgers or Rivers. Maybe he gets there but right now he isnt. Andy Dalton maybe starting for Cincy but hes not doing anything special. Cincy has the top rated D in the league and still they are not top team. All the other qbs are riding pine. I see nothing to say that any of them will be an elite qb.

The reason we are 0-4 is because we have an incompetant coach who makes coaching blunder after coaching blunder, our defense is abysmal, our FO built one of the worst lines in the NFL, our number 1 WR drops touchdown after touchdown, and oh by the way 3 of the 4 teams we played are pretty damn good too. Couple of them are actual superbowl contenders. If we would of drafted a qb his first game starting might of been against the jets.
 
I am tired of everyone saying that the Dolphins should have taken Matt Ryan with the first pick. He would have been a dead man behind the Dolphins' offensive line minus Jake Long. He would look like a bust. People forget that he has a very good offensive line in Atlanta.

the Falcons added two starters to that line in 2008. their 2007 OL wasn't all that good either. safe to say, Tom Dimitroff knew he had to protect his QB. however, he also knew he had to get a QB first
 
Watch us still have Ireland running the draft in 2012. He will not draft a QB in Round 1 but will probably draft an o-lineman or a passrusher. Then he'll say "we felt like there were a lot of good QBs in the draft so there was no need to grab one in the 1st round".
i dont know whether or not ireland will be drafting for us in 2012, but if he is, their is zero chance he can pass on luck if he has the shot to take him.

if he did that, he would be fired on the spot when the announcement of our other draft pick is made, and ross knows that if ireland actually did that, the fanbase that does not show up to games as it is, will not be coming back anytime soon. it would be a disaster of epic proportions unlike any seen before in terms of sports.
 
Because you are making a huge leap. Fine if last years drafts produces 3 elite qbs than it will be one of the best ever but I see no indications thats whats happening. Cam looks great but is not an elite qb yet. He's not on the level of Brees, Brady, Manning, Rodgers or Rivers. Maybe he gets there but right now he isnt. Andy Dalton maybe starting for Cincy but hes not doing anything special. Cincy has the top rated D in the league and still they are not top team. All the other qbs are riding pine. I see nothing to say that any of them will be an elite qb.

The reason we are 0-4 is because we have an incompetant coach who makes coaching blunder after coaching blunder, our defense is abysmal, our FO built one of the worst lines in the NFL, our number 1 WR drops touchdown after touchdown, and oh by the way 3 of the 4 teams we played are pretty damn good too. Couple of them are actual superbowl contenders. If we would of drafted a qb his first game starting might of been against the jets.

Honestly? Thats your expectation for rookie quarterbacks? If they dont play up to Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady's level then its a waste of time? They've played 4 games and you are saying this class is unworthy because they can't be compared to former Superbowl MVP's?
Whats even more laughable is the majority of the players you listed under "elite" took multiple years to attain that status. Tom Brady sat out as a rookie, Manning's rookie year was a statistical nightmare, Rodgers and Rivers warmed the bench for years, and Brees didn't have a good year until right before his contract was up. But hey, this class can't be considered great because Newton and Dalton aren't putting up the numbers of potential hall of famers.

And of all the incompetant measures our coach and front office have done, not properly fixing the quarterback position isn't among them? This is year 4 of this regime, we are expected to compete against teams like the Texans and Chargers. We only scored a touchdown per game against them. Quarterback play is a huge part of that. If we had a franchise quarterback, Marshall dropping a pass or two a game wouldn't be that big of a deal, because we knew we could rely on our quarterback to cover up a mistake or two. As it is right now, the minute we make a mistake the team gives up. What is considered common place mistake or two for other NFL teams is crippling for us.

This quarterback class was just as good, if not better, then other classes. Not correctly identifying the problem(which has become common for this regime) was a huge mistake. For rookie quarterbacks you really want them to show growth and potential, you want to see them make less mistakes at the end of the season than they did at the beginning. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton have both played admirably and have shown alot of potential. Its not inconcievable that one or two of the other 4 prospects could step up as well.
Miami decided to pass on that. Now we are only scoring a touchdown a game and we lost our quarterback. This regime had a chance to fix their mistake and didnt, so now the next regime will have to do it right this time.
 
So sez a reporter, not the people who (sic) run the franchise? BS... Show me!
 
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