Chad Henne Really Isn't Any Better So Far

[Shouright]

Henne really has improved from last year...He is making better decisions... Both the picks he's thrown this year werent really his fault. The one in the first game was a very catchable ball at the end of the game...I blame that one on the receiver, and the one yesterday he got his arm hit while in the motion of throwing....I blame that one on the offensive line.

Right, but he isn't doing enough positive things to surmount those plays, as evidenced by his poor QB rating overall.

Every QB has those plays from time to time. The good ones overcome them with lots of positive plays.

A 40% completion percentage isn't going to cut it, nor is his typically low number of TD passes. Last year he had one TD pass per start -- that isn't going to surmount the negative plays you mentioned that all QBs endure and the good ones overcome.

 

[Cobra84]

QB rating is such an odd stat. Things that aren't the QB's fault or had no effect on the game can really trash a QB rating. Count the rush TD as a pass, remove the meaningless pick at end of the Patriots game, teach Marshall how to catch, and teach Columbo how to block and Henne is up to 100.7 and 8th in QB rating.

 

[Shouright]

QB rating is such an odd stat. Things that aren't the QB's fault or had no effect on the game can really trash a QB rating. Count the rush TD as a pass, remove the meaningless pick at end of the Patriots game, teach Marshall how to catch, and teach Columbo how to block and Henne is up to 100.7 and 8th in QB rating.

And now do that for the rest of the QBs in the league, and a 100 QB rating becomes average instead of unique, and Chad Henne and his re-calculated 100 rating don't stand out at all.

 

[rent this space]

IMO the stats tell the story of what's important, as QB rating is strongly predictive of winning. A QB rating of 79 is rarely going to be associated with a winning team.

there is no magic number that guarantees success.
Phillip Rivers compiled a rating of 101.8 last year but his team finished 9-7 and he sat home watching watching the playoffs. he got see Mark Sanchez with a qbr of 75.3 go to the AFC championship game
you could say Henne's numbers aren't any better, but he is better and I don't need a box score to tell me.

 

[The Cregonator]

I think if he had a better line then he would be a productive quaterback for us...he's got talent and smarts. He just needs the line to protect so he can display all he has to offer this team...and im really diggin the new mobile Henne this year lol

 

[Shouright]

Phillip Rivers compiled a rating of 101.8 last year but his team finished 9-7 and he sat home watching watching the playoffs. he got see Mark Sanchez with a qbr of 75.3 go to the AFC championship game

Exceptions to the rule.

Like I said, QB ratings of 79 are rarely associated with winning teams. You haven't disproven that.

 

[Cobra84]

Exceptions to the rule.

Like I said, QB ratings of 79 are rarely associated with winning teams. You haven't disproven that.

Mark Sanchez would kill for a 79 and he's 21-12. The Falcons went 11-5 with a 78.1 from Vick in 2004. The Titans were 13-3 with a Collins/Young combined QB rating of 78.8 in 2008 and 10-6 with a 72.6 in 2007. I'm sure I could find some more.

 

[Shouright]

Mark Sanchez would kill for a 79 and he's 21-12. The Falcons went 11-5 with a 78.1 from Vick in 2004. The Titans were 13-3 with a Collins/Young combined QB rating of 78.8 in 2008 and 10-6 with a 72.6 in 2007. I'm sure I could find some more.

Do you have any idea how many QB ratings have been compiled in the time frame you're talking about?

You're still in the land of "rare."

The fact is, there's a very strong correlation between QB rating and winning. Anytime a correlation isn't perfect, you can find rare instances that go against the grain, but again, those are exceptions to the rule and don't disprove the rule.

 

[rent this space]

Exceptions to the rule.

Like I said, QB ratings of 79 are rarely associated with winning teams. You haven't disproven that.

if your saying winning teams usually have good QBs, that is true. not really going out on a limb, but correct.
however, there are at least a couple winning QBs with 80 or lower qbr every single year
since there are only about a dozen or so winning teams every year, having two or three isn't really rare, it's like 1 in 5

 

[Shouright]

if your saying winning teams usually have good QBs, that is true. not really going out on a limb, but correct.
however, there are at least a couple winning QBs with 80 or lower qbr every single year
since there are only about a dozen or so winning teams every year, having two or three isn't really rare, it's like 1 in 5

The only winning team last year with a QB rating below 80 was the Jets.

 

[rent this space]

The only winning team last year with a QB rating below 80 was the Jets.

I got 3 in '09, Sanchez, Henne and Ryan
5 in '08, Frerotte, Orton, Rothlesburger, Collins and Flacco
and 3 in '07, Manning(SB), Young, and Campbell
happens every year

 

[Shouright]

I got 3 in '09, Sanchez, Henne and Ryan

Ryan's rating was 80.9 (i.e., above 80).

The Jets and Sanchez were 9-7 and therefore a "winning" team by only one game. Kellen Clemens started and played the full game in one of those wins.

The Dolphins were 7-9 that year -- not a winning team.

So in 2009, you barely had one (Sanchez).

5 in '08, Frerotte, Orton, Rothlesburger, Collins and Flacco

Roethlisberger's rating was 80.1 (i.e., above 80).

Collins's was 80.2 (i.e., above 80).

Flacco's was 80.3 (i.e., above 80).

So in 2008, you had two (Frerotte and Orton), and Orton's rating was 79.6, just a shade under 80.

and 3 in '07, Manning(SB), Young, and Campbell

The Giants were 9-7, one game away from not being a winning team.

In the games Campbell played in (all of which he started), the Redskins were 6-7.

So in 2007, you had two, Young and Manning (barely).

happens every year

Barely, and rarely.

Again, this is a rare occurrence. There have been six over the past four years, or 1.5 per year on average, and those teams were barely winning teams. It's not like they were 11-5 or better. They were barely above .500.

Now, if you would, tell me the number of losing teams there were over the same four seasons we've covered (2007-2010), and how many of them had QB ratings below 80.

What you'll find supports my point: a QB rating under 80 is rarely associated with a winning team, and almost always associated with a losing team.

It would be far easier for you to simply acknowledge that Chad Henne's current QB rating of 79 isn't what we want from our starting QB, because it is almost never associated with winning.

Oh and look! We're 0-2! We're not winning! What a coincidence!

 

[EndZoneOnly]

You do realize the entire way of calculating QB rating is different this year don't you? You are comparing 2 totally different statistics.

Besides, do you watch the games? He's certainly improved, just how much is early to tell, but he's better then he was last year, so far at least.

O.K. he seems better than last year, However
hears the real question ..........Is he a quality QB,
does he have what it takes to lead us to the SB or even the Playoffs
....Don't think so.............

 

[bradmcnutt13]

Some of you talk about Henne as if he's a golfer that doesn't rely on others to get this high qb rating. There's nothing he can do if his #1 WR can't catch tds right in his hands. He's dropped 2 so far. Were they tough catches? Sure. But its the red zone where you earn your paycheck. No one is saying Henne is one of the best qbs in the league, but many say that about Marshall and he needs to live up to it in the red zone. And I guessing the McCourtey int some are talking about is the one where Marshall just inexplicably breaks off a timing route? If that's the one, then once again its on Marshall in the red zone.

And if qbr is so important, I remember we had a guy recently that had a 100 qbr and most of your bashed him nonstop longing for the day when Henne would take his place and Henne's long ball would open up our vaunted running game.

 

[BlueFin]

No one wants to hear it, and Henne certainly isn't the only problem with this team right now, but the reality is that he is only marginally better than he has been in the past. I'll give him credit for some improvement...but he's hardly where he needs to be to be a franchise QB. He needs to be much better in the red zone.