Chad Henne Really Isn't Any Better So Far

[The Confessor]

I think Henne is a lot better than Sanchez

No, no he's not. At least not at this juncture.

They both pretty much suck big time.

Snatcho is ranked right at 28th during his tenure in the bigs, and Henne is right there with him at about 26.

Neither are gonna win or will their team to jack-squat.

 

[hightempo]

Sanchez may not be any better numbers-wise, but if I need a touchdown on a two-minute drill at the end of a game, I'll take Sanchez anyday. Much more drive, confidence, will, and leadership ability in those situations IMO.

Sanchez looks like a winner when he plays, whereas Henne looks like "just another guy."

well ill say this much. sanchez got a hell of a lot better coaching, and had publicly and privately 110% support from his head coach which NEVER waivered. Sparano doesnt know his head from his ***, much less how to manage a quarterbacks development and he DID waiver, quite often. reports surfaced out of miami that they were concerned he would fall flat on his face prior to last year. is that anyway to manage a developing QB, that had shown some promise?? the way the QBs were handled was polar opposite. sanchez was given an opportunity to succeed and expected to. henne was not, and was expected to fail.

henne played as the numbers indicted pretty well in 2009 for a developing QB, regressed in 2010 and didnt play well enough to win games. in 2011 he played better than he had in his entire career and well enough to win if the players around him also played well enough to win - they didnt.

the things henne lacked this year, really come down to confidence and leadership. 3rd down, red zone, etc. his confidence and leadership were undermined by this staff from the start. they butchered his development. im not saying Henne is anything special. i was against the pick because he went 1-7 against ohio st and in bowl games - he couldnt win the games that mattered. he never had an opportunity to succeed with this team tho because they had no idea how to handle or develop a quarterback.

simply put, i didnt like the pick, BUT henne never became in Miami what he could have. and a large amount of the blame for this lies squarely with the coaches that surrounded him.

 

[Fintastical1025]

You can't take 2 full years of stats and compare them to 4 games and say off of those 4 games he improved. Last year Henne had small stretches of good play with large stretches of bad play. How do we know that wasn't going to happen this season? To say he improved off of these for games is very irresponsible. The one thing I do know is this sets Henne back a full year in development. I don't like Henne and never have, but this isn't a hate post. This year is to small of a sample size to make judgment on him being better, worse, or the same as last year.

 

[Kistner10]

You can't take 2 full years of stats and compare them to 4 games and say off of those 4 games he improved. Last year Henne had small stretches of good play with large stretches of bad play. How do we know that wasn't going to happen this season? To say he improved off of these for games is very irresponsible. The one thing I do know is this sets Henne back a full year in development. I don't like Henne and never have, but this isn't a hate post. This year is to small of a sample size to make judgment on him being better, worse, or the same as last year.

Why can't you?? Isn't Henne a developing player? He's got a had an OC that doesn't run a 1980 playbook and he showed tremendous improvement.

Henne wasn't the player I was hoping before this injury happened, but he definately showed in my eyes that he has that capability.

Sanchez has showed nothing with a better team around him.

 

[Shouright]

Why can't you?? Isn't Henne a developing player? He's got a had an OC that doesn't run a 1980 playbook and he showed tremendous improvement.

In exactly what area did you see "tremendous" improvement?

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Everyone was sniffing his jock after the first game against NE... He lost it for game 2 and 3.

 

[Dolph N.Fan]

Yep Henne still sucks....at least he won't throw any more INTS for the rest of the season.

 

[Kistner10]

In exactly what area did you see "tremendous" improvement?

From last year?? Are you serious?

He was attacking downfield, making nice throws and even running for good gains. Yeah he still made bad throws and decisions here and there, he's not a pro bowl QB by any means, but if Marshall catches half the TD's that Henne put on the numbers for him than everyone on this board would probably be singing a different tune about Henne.

 

[Shouright]

From last year?? Are you serious?

He was attacking downfield, making nice throws and even running for good gains. Yeah he still made bad throws and decisions here and there, he's not a pro bowl QB by any means, but if Marshall catches half the TD's that Henne put on the numbers for him than everyone on this board would probably be singing a different tune about Henne.

See posts #46 and #90.

 

[Kistner10]

See posts #46 and #90.

Dont see your argument.

You cite Henne's lack of TD's in post #46, but you've must have seen all the dropped TD passes from Marshall this season? There's not too much more Henne can do.

Your argument supporting the NFL Quarterback rating is also flawed. The whole stat is flawed. A guy throwing a hail mary at the end of the half gets picked off and it counts against his rating just as much as Tony Romo throwing a pick six does. I don't think TQBR is a perfect system but it's much better than the NFL Quarterback rating since it takes almost everything into account.

Henne's Quarterback rating isn't much better but his TQBR is so I think if you're going to go off of statistical analysis to judge QB's without taking into account fluke plays or lucky plays than you should definately see that Henne has improved a lot this year.

Henne has played well enough to win some games this year. He hasn't been perfect, but if the rest of the team had played up to his level this year we wouldn't be 0-4.

 

[Shouright]

Dont see your argument.

You cite Henne's lack of TD's in post #46, but you've must have seen all the dropped TD passes from Marshall this season? There's not too much more Henne can do.

Your argument supporting the NFL Quarterback rating is also flawed. The whole stat is flawed. A guy throwing a hail mary at the end of the half gets picked off and it counts against his rating just as much as Tony Romo throwing a pick six does. I don't think TQBR is a perfect system but it's much better than the NFL Quarterback rating since it takes almost everything into account.

Henne's Quarterback rating isn't much better but his TQBR is so I think if you're going to go off of statistical analysis to judge QB's without taking into account fluke plays or lucky plays than you should definately see that Henne has improved a lot this year.

Henne has played well enough to win some games this year. He hasn't been perfect, but if the rest of the team had played up to his level this year we wouldn't be 0-4.

...which is based primarily on the scrambling he did this year.

If you look at this page:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7081061/nfl-week-5-total-qbr-season-leaders

...you'll see that Henne's TQBR is inflated by the clutch runs ("Run EPA") he had this year.

So if you want a statistic that makes Chad Henne look better because of his newfound scrambling ability, you found it.

 

[Kistner10]

...which is based primarily on the scrambling he did this year.

If you look at this page:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7081061/nfl-week-5-total-qbr-season-leaders

...you'll see that Henne's TQBR is inflated by the clutch runs ("Run EPA") he had this year.

So if you want a statistic that makes Chad Henne look better because of his newfound scrambling ability, you found it.

I'm not basing my argument that he is improved based on stats, you were. His late INT against New England counted against his QB rating, which you've been using, and you count it. So I don't see why you're dismissing his TQBR because of his clutch runs. They're both flawed stats. Also as you can see, his sacks allowed are hurting his rating a good deal and I wouldn't put the blame on him for that. Our O-Line has been awful.

I'm making my judgements on him based on the way he has played from this year and last year. He looked like a totally different QB. IMO he is definately a QB who can lead a team to the postseason.

 

[Shouright]

I'm not basing my argument that he is improved based on stats, you were. His late INT against New England counted against his QB rating, which you've been using, and you count it. So I don't see why you're dismissing his TQBR because of his clutch runs. They're both flawed stats. Also as you can see, his sacks allowed are hurting his rating a good deal and I wouldn't put the blame on him for that. Our O-Line has been awful.

I'm making my judgements on him based on the way he has played from this year and last year. He looked like a totally different QB. IMO he is definately a QB who can lead a team to the postseason.

Sometimes "looks" can be deceiving, which is why stats are useful to check the objectivity of one's perceptions.

QBs with ratings of 79 are highly unlikely to lead their teams to the postseason.

 

[rent this space]

Sometimes "looks" can be deceiving, which is why stats are useful to check the objectivity of one's perceptions.

QBs with ratings of 79 are highly unlikely to lead their teams to the postseason.

The stats on Henne this year are misleading and you know it.
You are clinging to the QBR because it only shows "marginal" improvement. Yet you know two of those INTs are meaningless and he put the ball in Marshalls hands twice for dropped TDs. not to mention everything else listed in this thread that wouldn't show up on a stat sheet.
Everyone can see he improved from last year.
It really looks like you have an agenda

 

[The Confessor]

The stats on Henne this year are misleading and you know it.
You are clinging to the QBR because it only shows "marginal" improvement. Yet you know two of those INTs are meaningless and he put the ball in Marshalls hands twice for dropped TDs. not to mention everything else listed in this thread that wouldn't show up on a stat sheet.
Everyone can see he improved from last year.
It really looks like you have an agenda

Shou have an agenda? Nah...that COULDNT be it

And in related news, if the Bills make it to the Superbowl, they will lose :up: