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With all of the controversy surrounding Ginn's selection as the ninth overall selection in April's draft, I thought I'd compare the receiver's collegiate totals with those of Chambers. Bear in mind that both players competed in the Big Ten conference. Now, let's look at their numbers:

Chambers (Wisconsin): 127 rec, 2004 rec yd, 16 TD (43 games)

Ginn (Ohio State): 135 rec, 1943 rec yd, 15 TD (37 games)

So, at first glance, the numbers appear to be fairly close. What stands out most is the number of games each played in accomplishing those stats. Let's break them down further into game averages:

Chambers: 2.95 rec, 46.6 rec yd (15.78 ypc), 0.37 TD

Ginn: 3.65 rec, 52.5 rec yd (14.4 ypc), 0.41 TD

It is evident when divided into game averages that Ginn had better numbers. Especially since Ginn did this in six fewer games than Chambers. Of course, we know what Ginn can do on special teams. Chambers, coincidentally, also contributed on special teams... just not much:

Chambers: 1 KR, 15 ret yd, 0 TD; 5 PR, 2 yd; 0 TD

Ginn: 38 KR, 1012 ret yd, 2 TD; 64 PR, 900 yd, 6 TD (8 total TD is an NCAA record)

OK, so that's not exactly a fair comparison. What I am inferring here is that Ginn was a better team contributor than Chambers because he was a threat in both the receiving game and the return game. His blazing speed and elusiveness made him a standout at Ohio State. If he is able to bring that level of productivity to the Dolphins, then lookout!

Now, let's look at Chambers' career receiving numbers in the NFL:

Year G-S Att. Yds. Avg. LG TD
2001 16-07 48 883 18.4 74t 7
2002 15-15 52 734 14.1 59t 3
2003 16-16 64 963 15.0 57t 11
2004 15-15 69 898 13.0 76t 7
2005 16-16 82 1118 13.6 77t 11
2006 14-14 55 622 11.3 46 4

Chambers' 2005 season was his best, by far, and he ended up in Hawaii (thanks, in part, to Gus Frerotte). Note that his YPC average has dropped through the years and his NFL average of 14.1 is below his NCAA average of nearly 15.8.

I chose to compare the two receivers because there are a lot of people that love/like Chambers and think he is due for a breakout season. I think he has been given a bad rap because of the personnel changes that have happened here throughout his career. He should play a more integral role in this offense if he is positioned as the slot receiver and this may be his career season in a Dolphins uniform.

But knowing how well Ginn played at OSU, and the fact that Chambers gradually became acclimated with the offense, I can't see why Ginn won't be a solid wide receiver. All the cynics focus on Ginn being used solely as a return specialist, but I think they're wrong. Ginn will immediately pay dividends on special teams because of his quickness and agility with the football, but he was a very good receiver at the college level. The aforementioned statistics support that argument. So, with time to learn the playbook and reps in camp, I can see Ginn contributing as a receiver this season. How often that happens should depend upon whether Marty Booker is still a Dolphin come September 9 (also affects Hagan, etc.).

Your thoughts?
 
i think we should have keep Gus as our QB but saban messed that up when gus and chambers we doing really good togther
 
i think we should have keep Gus as our QB but saban messed that up when gus and chambers we doing really good togther

It's hard to knock Saban for not giving the starting job to Frerotte when he also had his choice between Brees and Culpepper. At the time I think Frerotte was last on everyones list. Saban also tried to re-sign Frerotte as a back-up but he opted to follow Linehan to St. Louis.
 
Frerotte had 18 TD in '05, which was 2 more than all three QBs from '06 had combined! Hindsight is not a good thing, but team doctors steered Saban away from Brees and, well, the rest is history.
 
With all of the controversy surrounding Ginn's selection as the ninth overall selection in April's draft, I thought I'd compare the receiver's collegiate totals with those of Chambers. Bear in mind that both players competed in the Big Ten conference. Now, let's look at their numbers:

Chambers (Wisconsin): 127 rec, 2004 rec yd, 16 TD (43 games)

Ginn (Ohio State): 135 rec, 1943 rec yd, 15 TD (37 games)

So, at first glance, the numbers appear to be fairly close. What stands out most is the number of games each played in accomplishing those stats. Let's break them down further into game averages:

Chambers: 2.95 rec, 46.6 rec yd (15.78 ypc), 0.37 TD

Ginn: 3.65 rec, 52.5 rec yd (14.4 ypc), 0.41 TD

It is evident when divided into game averages that Ginn had better numbers. Especially since Ginn did this in six fewer games than Chambers. Of course, we know what Ginn can do on special teams. Chambers, coincidentally, also contributed on special teams... just not much:

Chambers: 1 KR, 15 ret yd, 0 TD; 5 PR, 2 yd; 0 TD

Ginn: 38 KR, 1012 ret yd, 2 TD; 64 PR, 900 yd, 6 TD (8 total TD is an NCAA record)

OK, so that's not exactly a fair comparison. What I am inferring here is that Ginn was a better team contributor than Chambers because he was a threat in both the receiving game and the return game. His blazing speed and elusiveness made him a standout at Ohio State. If he is able to bring that level of productivity to the Dolphins, then lookout!

Now, let's look at Chambers' career receiving numbers in the NFL:

Year G-S Att. Yds. Avg. LG TD
2001 16-07 48 883 18.4 74t 7
2002 15-15 52 734 14.1 59t 3
2003 16-16 64 963 15.0 57t 11
2004 15-15 69 898 13.0 76t 7
2005 16-16 82 1118 13.6 77t 11
2006 14-14 55 622 11.3 46 4

Chambers' 2005 season was his best, by far, and he ended up in Hawaii (thanks, in part, to Gus Frerotte). Note that his YPC average has dropped through the years and his NFL average of 14.1 is below his NCAA average of nearly 15.8.

I chose to compare the two receivers because there are a lot of people that love/like Chambers and think he is due for a breakout season. I think he has been given a bad rap because of the personnel changes that have happened here throughout his career. He should play a more integral role in this offense if he is positioned as the slot receiver and this may be his career season in a Dolphins uniform.

But knowing how well Ginn played at OSU, and the fact that Chambers gradually became acclimated with the offense, I can't see why Ginn won't be a solid wide receiver. All the cynics focus on Ginn being used solely as a return specialist, but I think they're wrong. Ginn will immediately pay dividends on special teams because of his quickness and agility with the football, but he was a very good receiver at the college level. The aforementioned statistics support that argument. So, with time to learn the playbook and reps in camp, I can see Ginn contributing as a receiver this season. How often that happens should depend upon whether Marty Booker is still a Dolphin come September 9 (also affects Hagan, etc.).

Your thoughts?
Well hell with those stats lookin us in the eye? who could deny? ginn is the man. We oughta trade chambers away we dont need him anymore what with ginn and all! Ginn is so good we can get rid of Green as well and who needs samson? Well just have ginn snap the ball to himself on every play and pretend hes returning a punt its not like he needs any blocking either i say we tell mr ginn that from now on he the dolphin! with him on the team who needs to field 10 more?:kick::kick::kick::wink:
 
Stats don't lie. I like what I see with Ginn. I would kinda like to know stats versus ranked oppenents. That will tell if he is the real deal.
 
I'm just not a big Chambers fan....where you line up doesn't affect whether or not you actually hold on to the ball. He drops too many passes IMO.
 
With all of the controversy surrounding Ginn's selection as the ninth overall selection in April's draft, I thought I'd compare the receiver's collegiate totals with those of Chambers. Bear in mind that both players competed in the Big Ten conference. Now, let's look at their numbers:

Chambers (Wisconsin): 127 rec, 2004 rec yd, 16 TD (43 games)

Ginn (Ohio State): 135 rec, 1943 rec yd, 15 TD (37 games)

So, at first glance, the numbers appear to be fairly close. What stands out most is the number of games each played in accomplishing those stats. Let's break them down further into game averages:

Chambers: 2.95 rec, 46.6 rec yd (15.78 ypc), 0.37 TD

Ginn: 3.65 rec, 52.5 rec yd (14.4 ypc), 0.41 TD

It is evident when divided into game averages that Ginn had better numbers. Especially since Ginn did this in six fewer games than Chambers. Of course, we know what Ginn can do on special teams. Chambers, coincidentally, also contributed on special teams... just not much:

Chambers: 1 KR, 15 ret yd, 0 TD; 5 PR, 2 yd; 0 TD

Ginn: 38 KR, 1012 ret yd, 2 TD; 64 PR, 900 yd, 6 TD (8 total TD is an NCAA record)

OK, so that's not exactly a fair comparison. What I am inferring here is that Ginn was a better team contributor than Chambers because he was a threat in both the receiving game and the return game. His blazing speed and elusiveness made him a standout at Ohio State. If he is able to bring that level of productivity to the Dolphins, then lookout!

Now, let's look at Chambers' career receiving numbers in the NFL:

Year G-S Att. Yds. Avg. LG TD
2001 16-07 48 883 18.4 74t 7
2002 15-15 52 734 14.1 59t 3
2003 16-16 64 963 15.0 57t 11
2004 15-15 69 898 13.0 76t 7
2005 16-16 82 1118 13.6 77t 11
2006 14-14 55 622 11.3 46 4

Chambers' 2005 season was his best, by far, and he ended up in Hawaii (thanks, in part, to Gus Frerotte). Note that his YPC average has dropped through the years and his NFL average of 14.1 is below his NCAA average of nearly 15.8.

I chose to compare the two receivers because there are a lot of people that love/like Chambers and think he is due for a breakout season. I think he has been given a bad rap because of the personnel changes that have happened here throughout his career. He should play a more integral role in this offense if he is positioned as the slot receiver and this may be his career season in a Dolphins uniform.

But knowing how well Ginn played at OSU, and the fact that Chambers gradually became acclimated with the offense, I can't see why Ginn won't be a solid wide receiver. All the cynics focus on Ginn being used solely as a return specialist, but I think they're wrong. Ginn will immediately pay dividends on special teams because of his quickness and agility with the football, but he was a very good receiver at the college level. The aforementioned statistics support that argument. So, with time to learn the playbook and reps in camp, I can see Ginn contributing as a receiver this season. How often that happens should depend upon whether Marty Booker is still a Dolphin come September 9 (also affects Hagan, etc.).

Your thoughts?

I think it's a completely irrelevant argument (but nice analysis:)). Chambers was in the most run-oriented offense in the Big-10 (by far)). Even his coach admitted he didn't get that many passes thrown his way. Ohio State is much more like a real NFL offense with lots of passing downfield.
 
Ginn versus ranked NCAA Division I opponents (2004-2006)

Stats don't lie. I like what I see with Ginn. I would kinda like to know stats versus ranked oppenents. That will tell if he is the real deal.

Your wish is granted...

10/09/2004: #16 Wisconsin (24) at #15 Ohio State (13)
2 punt ret, 72 yd (long 65 yd), 1 TD

11/20/2004: #7 Michigan (21) at Ohio State (37)
5 rec, 87 yd (long 42 yd), 0 TD
4 punt ret, 123 yd (long 82 yd), 1 TD

09/10/2005: #2 Texas (25) at #4 Ohio State (22)
1 rush, -2 yd
2 rec, 9 yd (long 6 yd), 0 TD
3 kick ret, 82 yd (long 46 yd), 0 TD
1 punt ret, 8 yd, 0 TD

09/24/2005: #21 Iowa (6) at #8 Ohio State (31)
3 rec, 31 yd (long 17 yd), 0 TD
1 kick ret, 22 yd, 0 TD
2 punt ret, 0 yd, 0 TD

10/08/2005: #6 Ohio State (10) at #16 Penn State (17)
2 rush, 5 yd (long 5 yd), 0 TD
3 red, 40 yd (long 26 yd), 0 TD
4 kick ret, 59 yd (long 16 yd), 0 TD
2 punt ret, 5 yd (long 5 yd), 0 TD

10/15/2005: #16 Michigan State (24) at #15 Ohio State (35)
1 rush, -6 yd
4 rec, 78 yd (long 57 yd), 1 TD
1 punt ret, 0 yd

11/12/2005: #25 Northwestern (7) at #10 Ohio State (48)
1 rush, 1 yd. 0 TD
3 red, 27 yd (long 19 yd), 0 TD
1 kick ret, 21 yd, 0 TD
1 punt ret, 15 yd, 0 TD

11/19/2005: #9 Ohio State (25) at #17 Michigan (21)
9 rec, 89 yd (long 23 yd), 0 TD
2 punt ret, -26 yd, 0 TD

01/02/2006: #9 Notre Dame (20) at #4 Ohio State (34)
2 rush, 73 yd (long 68 yd), 1 TD
8 rec, 167 yd (long 56 yd), 1 TD
2 punt ret, 20 yd, 0 TD

(By the way, Quinn was 29/45, 286 yd, 0 INT, 0 TD)

09/09/2006: #1 Ohio State (24) at #2 Texas (7)
5 rec, 97 yd (long 46 yd), 1 TD
3 punt ret, 5 yd (long 8 yd), 0 TD

09/23/2006: #24 Penn State (6) at #1 Ohio State (28)
2 rec, 15 yd (long 12 yd), 0 TD
2 kick ret, 44 yd (long 22 yd), 0 TD
3 punt ret, 29 yd (long 14 yd), 0 TD

09/30/2006: #1 Ohio State (38) at #13 Iowa (17)
7 rec, 69 yd (long 15 yd), 0 TD
2 kick ret, 24 yd (long 12 yd), 0 TD
1 punt ret, 9 yd, 0 TD

11/18/2006: #2 Michigan (39) at #1 Ohio State (42)
8 rec, 104 yd (long 39 yd), 1 TD
5 kick ret, 105 yd (long 26 yd), 0 TD
2 punt ret, 0 yd, 0 TD

01/08/2007: #1 Florida (41) at #2 Ohio State (14)
1 kick ret, 93 yd, 1 TD
 
I think it's possible that Ginn could turn in numbers similar to Chambers' rookie year (with hopefully a few punt and kick return TD's!)

Nice comparison!
 
I think it's a completely irrelevant argument (but nice analysis:)). Chambers was in the most run-oriented offense in the Big-10 (by far)). Even his coach admitted he didn't get that many passes thrown his way. Ohio State is much more like a real NFL offense with lots of passing downfield.


This is correct. When Chambers was at Wisconsin, they hardly ever threw the ball. Their lack of passing is the only reason Chambers was a second round pick. His speed and leaping ability at the combine blew people away, but he lacked experience. Ohio State plays a much more NFL style offense with a ton more passing. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
 
This is correct. When Chambers was at Wisconsin, they hardly ever threw the ball. Their lack of passing is the only reason Chambers was a second round pick. His speed and leaping ability at the combine blew people away, but he lacked experience. Ohio State plays a much more NFL style offense with a ton more passing. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Not entirely true. It was also the fact that he had lapses in concentration. The same complaints scouts had of Chambers in college are the same ones fans have of him now. Will make the spectacular catches and drop some easy ones.
 
i love how ginn always seemed to show up in big games... his bowl game stats and his stats against michigan really show that when it matters most he plays well...
 
2001 16-07 48 883 18.4 74t 7
2002 15-15 52 734 14.1 59t 3
2003 16-16 64 963 15.0 57t 11
2004 15-15 69 898 13.0 76t 7
2005 16-16 82 1118 13.6 77t 11
2006 14-14 55 622 11.3 46 4

These are Pro Bowl TE numbers....
Antonio Gates

Antonio Gates
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
2003 San Diego Chargers 15 11 24 389 16.2 48 2
2004 San Diego Chargers 15 15 81 964 11.9 72 13
2005 San Diego Chargers 15 15 89 1101 12.4 38 10
2006 San Diego Chargers 16 16 71 924 13.0 57 9

Oops sorry those are below TE numbers.

If Ginn achieves these numbers it will be a miracle.

Thirdly if this is all the production you want from a WR, then Ginn maybe your man. If the fish want Ginn to blossom into what a #9 pick should be, then don't compare him with Chambers. Shoot for something higher. Booker was your best receiving threat IMO
 
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