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One of the more interesting criticisms for Gailey is that he calls ‘better’ plays for Ryan Fitzpatrick than he does for Tagovailoa. The Dolphins’ game script from Week 12 against the Jets seems to indicate that each quarterback’s ideal offense looks different than the other’s — the Dolphins ran Run-Pass Option concepts on approximately half of their first 15 plays from scrimmage against the Jets; a clear nod to a game script that was built to favor Tagovailoa’s strengths.
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Bullshit.

If Gailey can't open the playbook for Tua, then he just isn't ready.

If half of our scripted opening plays against the Jets were Repos designed for Tua, then that would explain why our offense looked like **** in the first half.

I'm sick of the doublespeak.
 
I don't think he's comfortable calling plays for Tua. I mentioned that a long time ago.

Winning games and developing a quarterback rarely go hand-in-hand. You have to choose one or the other. Because learning requires mistakes - and mistakes lose games. I never thought Tua would play this season when he was drafted - especially considering the truncated offseason.

This is Fitzpatrick's 6th go around in Gailey's offense. I'm not sure Chan is comfortable calling plays for any quarterback other than Fitzpatrick. Either way, I don't think play calling is as much of a problem as the lack of talent trying to execute the plays that are called.

A perfect play call can't get open or make the catch or break tackles or execute a block. Only the player can.

The Chargers and Bengals were letting their young QB's fling it and lose games. Miami seems to be more concerned with trying to figure out what QB has the best chance to eek out a win from one week to the next. It can be a delicate situation with a rookie quarterback and a 15 year vet - and no preseason. And a bunch of UDFA's scattered all over the field at the skill positions.
 
Pachyderm_Wave said:
I don't think he's comfortable calling plays for Tua. I mentioned that a long time ago.

Winning games and developing a quarterback rarely go hand-in-hand. You have to choose one or the other. Because learning requires mistakes - and mistakes lose games. I never thought Tua would play this season when he was drafted - especially considering the truncated offseason.

This is Fitzpatrick's 6th go around in Gailey's offense. I'm not sure Chan is comfortable calling plays for any quarterback other than Fitzpatrick. Either way, I don't think play calling is as much of a problem as the lack of talent trying to execute the plays that are called.

A perfect play call can't get open or make the catch or break tackles or execute a block. Only the player can.

The Chargers and Bengals were letting their young QB's fling it and lose games. Miami seems to be more concerned with trying to figure out what QB has the best chance to eek out a win from one week to the next. It can be a delicate situation with a rookie quarterback and a 15 year vet - and no preseason. And a bunch of UDFA's scattered all over the field at the skill positions.
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Bingo. It's also a learning process for Tua, while Fitzpatrick has been in this offense for two offseasons and the better part of two years now. Fitz has a good feel for Parker especially, which plays out when he's in there. Tua still has to get used to throwing in almost non-existent windows with this group of wide receivers.

I pointed out, during the last game when fans were criticizing Gailey's play calling, how bad the execution was on a few plays as well. I do think Gailey has been pretty conservative, but that's a factor in the talent he has, a young offensive line etc.
 
I think the Dolphins need to decide if they want to win games or develop Tua. You can’t really do both. If they want to win games and play Tua, they have to hide him and give him the least amount of responsibility as possible - which in turn makes fans think he sucks but it’s not about that at all
 
I've been baffled for weeks why we weren't seeing more RPO concepts once Tagovailoa was in there. This quote perhaps explains that (along with Breida's injury happening at the worst time - since I see him and Ahmed as the two best backs to implement the RPO):

...while Fitzpatrick has more abilities at the line of scrimmage because he’s mastered the entirety of the playbook where as Tagovailoa hasn’t nailed down the entire thing yet (and therefore certain concepts of it are likely considered “off limits”), Tagovailoa’s footwork and accuracy gives him a boost in effectiveness in what he does do on the football field. And those RPO concepts that the Dolphins are implementing at a higher rate with Tagovailoa on the field? They’re built in “in-play” audibles because you have answers to both low and high box counts from the defense and Miami has done well to construct half-field concepts in the RPO game to get the best blocking surface available to one side for run and running quick game to the other side of the field and allowing Tagovailoa to make a defender wrong after the snap.
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Fitz is clearly more experienced in this offense, that is why we see better results. Tua, I pray he gets it
But I doubt it. However, Fitz isn’t the answer so Tua has got to start. **** this thumb ****! Start him for the rest of the season
 
RobertHorry said:
I think the Dolphins need to decide if they want to win games or develop Tua. You can’t really do both. If they want to win games and play Tua, they have to hide him and give him the least amount of responsibility as possible - which in turn makes fans think he sucks but it’s not about that at all
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Challenge with that is Tua isn’t the only player on the team. It’s hard to sell we’re developing Tua with a winning record and guys playing their tails off trying to get a post season berth. For some like Howard, McCain, DVP iirc it would be their first playoff appearance. Unless they went to the playoff during Gase first year?

Point being the Dolphins are going to have to try and do both things you said can’t be done.

I think it can be done and QBs like Bug Ben prove you can even win a SB that way.
Didn’t R.Wilson also win the SB his rookie year?
 
Pachyderm_Wave said:
I don't think he's comfortable calling plays for Tua. I mentioned that a long time ago.

Winning games and developing a quarterback rarely go hand-in-hand. You have to choose one or the other. Because learning requires mistakes - and mistakes lose games. I never thought Tua would play this season when he was drafted - especially considering the truncated offseason.

This is Fitzpatrick's 6th go around in Gailey's offense. I'm not sure Chan is comfortable calling plays for any quarterback other than Fitzpatrick. Either way, I don't think play calling is as much of a problem as the lack of talent trying to execute the plays that are called.

A perfect play call can't get open or make the catch or break tackles or execute a block. Only the player can.

The Chargers and Bengals were letting their young QB's fling it and lose games. Miami seems to be more concerned with trying to figure out what QB has the best chance to eek out a win from one week to the next. It can be a delicate situation with a rookie quarterback and a 15 year vet - and no preseason. And a bunch of UDFA's scattered all over the field at the skill positions.
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RobertHorry said:
I think the Dolphins need to decide if they want to win games or develop Tua. You can’t really do both. If they want to win games and play Tua, they have to hide him and give him the least amount of responsibility as possible - which in turn makes fans think he sucks but it’s not about that at all
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Flores pulling Tua when the Fins got behind 10 in Denver is a perfect example of this IMO... You either let the kid in and see if he can turn a bad performance into a salvageable situation or you make a drastic change and see if you can get a spark. But reality is, both have a low % of success considering how the team was playing.

The flurry of post that will follow this post to tell me how better the offense looked when Fitz came in is just a perfect picture of the difference between the 2, even if the result ends up the same... Fitz will just make too many risky throws and Tua is still trigger shy. You'll more than often get an offense that looks great in spurts(the good luck part of Fitz game) but stalls on QB mistakes(the bad luck part of Fitz game) or an offense that wont move much(because of trigger shy Tua) but will score points when you put it in a good position to do so(Because Tua is a much better passer than Fitz).

Is Fitzpatrick really better at avoiding mistakes than Tua? Im no expert but **** no! IMHO... The way the Fins have been playing on D getting TOs and putting the offense in good position regularly, I think Tua's game fits this game script much better, where you're really only asking the QB to not **** up and score when you're in position.

Good point by Pach and RH... I hadnt thought about the comfort aspect of going from calling plays for Fitz in all of his recent stints to calling plays for Tua... Major difference. And as RH noted, Tua has been asked to mostly not **** up the whole time unless in the redzone except for the ARI game and Denver game... In one of the 2 occasions he took the team on his shoulders and got the lead and the other he was pulled...
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
In football, like business, you never make short term decisions that would negatively affect your long term goals.

So, Fitz may give you some quick wins, but putting him in is a bad move for the Dolphins because it slows the development of your long term QB
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Unfortunately... in today's corporate world and IWBH/YWBH, most businesses DO act like that now.
 
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