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Chances That It Gets Worse Before It Gets Any Better?

This doesnt appear to get better or worse. Thuis team is stuck in the middle, neither good enough nor bad enough. Who starts 0-7, completely destroying the season before it has a chance to get going, then wins a bunch of games late(uninspiring while we're at it: KC, Redskins, Bills twice, OAkland, and a nosediving Jets team) to blow up any chance they have to acquire the one piece it continues to put off?

We'll finish anywhere between 7 to 9 wins next season.
 
I do not get a good feeling about the direction of this franchise. It is just run so sloppy that I don't have much hope for success in the near future. I foresee another failed 3 year HC stint, and then blowing it all up to start from scratch.
 
Have you seen the schedule? It will get better.

This team has talent and I have been told over the past year that Sparano was a big reason why this team lost games. He is gone now, so shouldn't it just naturally get better?

Seriously though, no one knows what kind of head coach Mike McCoy, Joe Philbin or even Todd Bowles will be. No one knows that they will fail, and no one knows that they will be the next Don Shula. They are unknowns and we just have to hope whomever they hire is the next Tomlin, Schwartz or McCarthy and not the next Cameron or Spagnuolo. The fact they have a new head coach and direction should offer hope for the future and the schedule we play next year gives this team a chance.

I just hope the local fan base is smart enough to have hope and not to spend the season booing and actively rooting against the team like they did this past season. Remember this is the same fanbase that chanted "We want Orton" at a free practice at the stadium just after they signed Matt Moore. Or complained about the Daboll hiring and said the offense wouldn't improve. Or bashed the front office for trading for Reggie Bush, only to see him rush for over 1,000 yards. All I am saying is give it a chance, it is a fresh start try and support them even just a little.

1. How can you possibly know which games are going to be easy or hard next year at this point?

2. According to YOU Sparano was a good coach, so you should feel that the team will be worse.

3. If we had signed Jeff Fisher you'd be his biggest fan, so since we missed out in favor of the unending genius of Jeff Ireland, you're all about hoping against hope that we'll find a diamond in the rough. I've got bad news for you, for every Tomlin and McCarthy (who coincidentally both have AWESOME quarterbacks) there are 10 Cam Camerons or Josh McDaniels or Spags or name your favorite coordinator flavor of the week that BOMBED as a head coach.

4. I can't speak for anybody else, but I know that I was very actively rooting FOR the organization up until about week 5 when we were completely out of the playoffs and were much better off completely cleaning house and getting the 1st overall pick. They chanted "we want Orton" because they thought that Orton was a better option than Henne or Moore, God forbid they wanted improvement. There's no reason to believe that either of those guys would have played tremendously better than Orton would have in Miami this year.

5. We had the 22nd overall offense in the league this year. 20th in PPG. Did we have great players? No, but forgive me for not ****ting my pants with glee over Daboll.

6. Reggie Bush (much like the rest of the team) played very well down the stretch in a bunch of meaningless games against a bunch of really bad defense. He had 500 yards in his last 4 games against Oakland, Philly, Buffalo and New England. 4 awful run defenses. Outside of that the only other reasonably good games he had were against the Giants and KC, go ask fans of those teams how they felt about their defenses this season.

The point is that we have glaring holes all over this team. Not only do we need an entire coaching staff, but the offensive line is nowhere near shored up, our offense STILL isn't nearly fast enough or consistent enough as far as skill position players go, we haven't had a good coverage safety in years and years, we still need another corner and probably 2 more linebackers... Oh I forgot to mention the quarterback postion, how did that slip?

For the 100th time, I hope that I'm wrong, but honestly you say the same thing every season and you haven't been right yet. We're still a few GOOD off seasons away (which are hard to come by around here) and I don't think you would find a non Dolphin fan who would dispute that. To me, you don't have very much objectivity.... You can go ahead and tell me to go root for the Jets now because of my honesty.
 
It gets worse?How do you know McCoy is that bad? You don't. How do you know Philbin will be great? You don't.

They are unproven commodities.

How have our last 3 unproven commodities done for us?


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as I said yesterday, you have to see what type of plan the new coach has. There were subtle changes both on offense and defense when Sparano got fired. They weren't huge changes, but they were signs that showed me Bowles has some different ideas from Sparano.

Is that an endorsement for Bowles? no. But just cause somebody works under a certain person does not mean they share the same philosophies.

Could it get worse? Sure it could. Could it get better? Sure it could. It's all on whether or not the new coach has a plan he wants to put in place and how he executes.
 
How have our last 3 unproven commodities done for us?


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Who? Cam and Sparano? Saban wasn't really an unknown. How about the known commodities we had in Jimmy Johnson and Wanny? You can't judge by their status. Hell, for the 3 hires I remember as a fan (Sparano, Cam, Saban) I KNEW they were getting hired, I didn't care who we were interviewing nor did the rest of the public, pretty much everybody knew those guys would be head coach. The best thing to happen to us IMO is Fisher turning us down as Ross and Ireland actually had to conduct interviews seriously rather than KNOWING who they were going to hire
 
I think Philbin is the wrong guy for the job, plus the fact that he came from Green Bay basically gaurantees that he will disappoint Ross & all the know-nothing, shallow, short attention spanned local media.

We are not a West Coast team on Offense. We will not be close to the Packers on offense.

McCoy seems like a much better choice. He is younger and he has been a productive play calling OC with much lesser talent than the POWER HOUSE that Green Bayb is.
 
I think Philbin is the wrong guy for the job, plus the fact that he came from Green Bay basically gaurantees that he will disappoint Ross & all the know-nothing, shallow, short attention spanned local media.

We are not a West Coast team on Offense. We will not be close to the Packers on offense.

McCoy seems like a much better choice. He is younger and he has been a productive play calling OC with much lesser talent than the POWER HOUSE that Green Bayb is.

we actually have quite a few offensive players who fit the West Coast Offense.
 
we actually have quite a few offensive players who fit the West Coast Offense.

Who are you referring to?

Our O-line is big and built to run the ball. Marshall never runs a route the same way twice, especially not once he gets into the Red zone.

Bush is perfect, and Pouncy too probably.

I don't see precise route running wr's on our team other than Bess & Hartline. West coast teams need more wr's, more athletic type linemen and QB's that fit their system.
 
Who are you referring to?

Our O-line is big and built to run the ball. Marshall never runs a route the same way twice, especially not once he gets into the Red zone.

Bush is perfect, and Pouncy too probably.

I don't see precise route running wr's on our team other than Bess & Hartline. West coast teams need more wr's, more athletic type linemen and QB's that fit their system.

The WCO is also based on a lot of YAC yardage something Marshall, Bess, and a lesser extent Hartline are pretty good at. Charles Clay is the ideal FB for the WCO. OL, yeah you need athletic guys but a healthy Jake and Pouncey are good stars. We do need better pulling guards for a WCO. But there is a bit of a difference from the Packers WCO and the WCO that the Shannahans and Kubiak run which is based on zone blocking. If we moved to that type of WCO, we'd have issues.
 
I'd put the odds about 90% that it gets worse and we'll be looking for a new HC again in 2 years. Hopefully a new GM too.
 
I was going to reserve judgment until after the draft and free agency, but I'll go on record now guessing it gets worse before it gets better -- at least in the short term. Ross made perhaps his biggest miscalculation to date in believing he could land Cowher, Gruden or Fisher. By striking out on all three, he's virtually assured a worse season next year. That's not to say Cowher, Gruden or Fisher are sure fire solutions. However, they are proven, could definitely assemble top notch staffs, and would have a good chance of turning in a decent season without hitting rock bottom first. In the long road, though, any one of these three might prove to be just a band-aid solution (and that's coming from a big time Fisher advocate).

Any of the three remaining candidates are quite probably going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to assembling a staff. Of the three, I think Bowles has the best chance for some success immediately (if you define "some success" by fielding a competitive team and finishing between 6-8 wins), simply because he will probably maintain some consistency and continuity. If either McCoy or Philbin blow things up, installing new offenses and bringing in a DC with a different system, then I would predict some regression and a top 5 draft pick in 2013.
 
leave it to nublar to bring up the first common sense thing that should come to your mind.

jeff fisher and the rams are dead meat.

Ireland has good control over the roster, whether you want to believe it or not. Parcells set us back a little with pat white and his lame fat *** sitting in a booth getting rich.
 
Have you seen the schedule? It will get better.

This team has talent and I have been told over the past year that Sparano was a big reason why this team lost games. He is gone now, so shouldn't it just naturally get better?

Seriously though, no one knows what kind of head coach Mike McCoy, Joe Philbin or even Todd Bowles will be. No one knows that they will fail, and no one knows that they will be the next Don Shula. They are unknowns and we just have to hope whomever they hire is the next Tomlin, Schwartz or McCarthy and not the next Cameron or Spagnuolo. The fact they have a new head coach and direction should offer hope for the future and the schedule we play next year gives this team a chance.

I just hope the local fan base is smart enough to have hope and not to spend the season booing and actively rooting against the team like they did this past season. Remember this is the same fanbase that chanted "We want Orton" at a free practice at the stadium just after they signed Matt Moore. Or complained about the Daboll hiring and said the offense wouldn't improve. Or bashed the front office for trading for Reggie Bush, only to see him rush for over 1,000 yards. All I am saying is give it a chance, it is a fresh start try and support them even just a little.

Yeah! Those negative fans! They should be sooo happy finishing 6-10!
 
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