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Charley Casserly and Gil Brandt: Ireland in the upper echelon of GMs

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1st overall pick, 15th overall pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick, 4th round pick, 6th round pick.

And we still have question marks on our offensive line. Those picks listed dont take into account how poor our cap situation is because of bad free agent signings. Not to mention our bust rate with second round picks.

Jeff Ireland had a very good draft on paper. He's earned another offseason. But lets not fool ourselves, his track record as GM has been pretty poor. The best Gm's in the league are currently residing in Baltimore, Detroit, New York(the one that actually wins Superbowls), and id even argue Tampa Bay.
 
Woah woah woah, I like what he's done so far but let's see what he actually does with the team he set up before we come to conclusions.
 
Spesh said:
1st overall pick, 15th overall pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick, 4th round pick, 6th round pick.

And we still have question marks on our offensive line. Those picks listed dont take into account how poor our cap situation is because of bad free agent signings. Not to mention our bust rate with second round picks.

Jeff Ireland had a very good draft on paper. He's earned another offseason. But lets not fool ourselves, his track record as GM has been pretty poor. The best Gm's in the league are currently residing in Baltimore, Detroit, New York(the one that actually wins Superbowls), and id even argue Tampa Bay.
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The thing I am having trouble figuring out is how much of it is development (the coach's job) vs talent drafted. I have initially been happy with every draft since 2008, but not all the picks pan out. Obviously, that is expected. A GM will not hit on %100 of their draft picks. Heck, even %75 is practically unheard of.

What I would consider a "good" draft is 3-4 starters and the rest capable backups or role players. Ideally you would like at least 1 of those starters to be a bonafide star. He HAS found roughly 3-4 starters in each draft, its the "star" part that he is lacking. I believe that some of those guys drafted do have the capability of becoming stars (with the right coaching).

So far, the only star that Ireland has drafted is Jake Long. But I think there are a lot more potential stars on the roster that just havent been developed properly. They include:

Vontae Davis
Jared Odrick
Mike Pouncey
Charles Clay

And from 2012
Ryan Tannehill
Lamar Miller
Michael Egnew
 
Im pleased with this past draft but I still want and need to see more of his plan to getting Miami back to the elite level.
 
We have to judge him in the post-Tuna era, to be 100% fair...also, remember the changes in Coaching, system, etc...it will allways be hard under those circumstances.
 
Normally, you folks would be tearing him apart for being an idiot...but now he says something good about Ireland and he suddenly becomes brilliant...
 
SkapePhin said:
The thing I am having trouble figuring out is how much of it is development (the coach's job) vs talent drafted. I have initially been happy with every draft since 2008, but not all the picks pan out. Obviously, that is expected. A GM will not hit on %100 of their draft picks. Heck, even %75 is practically unheard of.

What I would consider a "good" draft is 3-4 starters and the rest capable backups or role players. Ideally you would like at least 1 of those starters to be a bonafide star. He HAS found roughly 3-4 starters in each draft, its the "star" part that he is lacking. I believe that some of those guys drafted do have the capability of becoming stars (with the right coaching).
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I agree with the philosophy of "Its a good draft if you get 3 starters", but to me its a bit misleading in our case.

Irelands tendency to overdraft offensive lineman isnt credit deserving. Long and Pouncey were picks that many people argue were undeserving at their draft positions(i personally am still annoyed at the Pouncey pick). Both Vontae and Jared were very talented prospects who fell for various reasons. Ireland has been spending playmaker draft slots on offensive lineman and when he hasnt its been because a player fell farther in the draft then expected, a "no brainer" type of situation. I can hardly praise Ireland in either of those situations.

In today's NFL you NEED to hit with your first and second round picks. They should be the impact players(or stars as you put it) of your team. I just listed our first rounders and our second rounders have overwhelmingly been busts. To be crowned one of the best in the league, Ireland has to start taking some risks to bring in talent at impact positions and he needs to start getting a payout from the second round.
 
Gil Brandt thought Osweiler was a 1st round talent. Take his opinion with a grain of salt
 
Dr. Phin said:
Normally, you folks would be tearing him apart for being an idiot...but now he says something good about Ireland and he suddenly becomes brilliant...
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I don't see anyone saying he's brilliant?
 
My take on Ireland is that he does what a good gm should do and that is get players that fit into the system that his coaches want to run. I truly believe the reason so many resources were wasted on the offensive line is because Ireland deferred to his so called offensive line guru Tony Sporano. I believe Tony really pushed for most, if not all, of the guys Miami signed or drafted for the offensive line. Three players in particular that I feel Tony really pushed for are Justin Smiley, John Jerry, and Marc Colombo. I think that with Joe Philbin's different philosophy on offense and especially on the offensive line, and hopefully his ability to develop players, Ireland's eye for evaluating talent will show through.
 
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TRue....the drafts where it has been totally upon his back, he has done well!
 
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