I don’t see anything changing as long as Ross is here cause he'll keep the same people in charge and in order for things to change, you need to make changes at the top and he's not only failed to do that but he has rewarded mediocrity
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Flores should not get off so easy.
I see far too much of the "his teams weren't talented" nonsense.
Look back at the investments on defense!
- You paid out the nose for Kyle Van Noy, Byron Jones and Xavien Howard.
- You drafted first rounders like Christian Wilkins and Jaelen Phillips.
- You spent a second rounder on Jevon Holland.
- You invested in productive mid-rounders like Brandon Jones and Andrew Van Ginkel.
- You also had Zach Seiler on those teams.
You could freeze right there and point to how much those guys alone have earned in the NFL.
But it goes further, too:
- The ILBs like Baker and Roberts were absolutely on-par with the current guys.
- The secondary depth like Eric Rowe and Nick Needham actually contributed, too.
- Many of the fill-ins were the same, as well: Emmanuel Ogbah, Benito Jones, Jon Jenkins, Elijah Campbell, etc.
So, please, do not for 1 second tell me his team wasn't talented. There were massive and continued investments up and down that defense.
The stats bailed you out in 2020 because of how you played on the back end, but the Miami defense 100% regressed to mid-tier the following year and that was when you even got to play a bunch of "never seen him since" back-up QBs.
And btw, let us not forget one of the most ugly features...
...his first two defensive picks post-Tank were Noah Igbinoghene and Raekwon Davis who both ended up lousy players. Do NOT fool yourself into believing that was just Chris Grier making those picks. Your defensive coordinator HC absolutely had a hand in those selections and in making sure they got every opportunity each and every year as project players!
To say that defense wasn't well-stocked is ridiculous. You had a solid DL and a wealth of talent on the back-end. You hit on picks, FAs and UDFAs.
On offense Flores had Tua (who McDaniel proved was vastly under-utilized).
- You had Waddle in 2021 who was used (stupidly) as a possession WR.
- You had Gesicki who was just as good as any TE the Dolphins have had since (including Jonnu Smith!!).
- You had many of the same pieces on the OL (sadly)
You basically didn't have Terron Armstead, Tyreek Hill and some of the RB talent but I don't think Brian Flores was pounding the table for any of that kind of stuff. He seemed pretty content waiting on DeVante Parker and Preston Williams to figure out what was up.
I see far too much of the "his teams weren't talented" nonsense.
Look back at the investments on defense!
- You paid out the nose for Kyle Van Noy, Byron Jones and Xavien Howard.
- You drafted first rounders like Christian Wilkins and Jaelen Phillips.
- You spent a second rounder on Jevon Holland.
- You invested in productive mid-rounders like Brandon Jones and Andrew Van Ginkel.
- You also had Zach Seiler on those teams.
You could freeze right there and point to how much those guys alone have earned in the NFL.
But it goes further, too:
- The ILBs like Baker and Roberts were absolutely on-par with the current guys.
- The secondary depth like Eric Rowe and Nick Needham actually contributed, too.
- Many of the fill-ins were the same, as well: Emmanuel Ogbah, Benito Jones, Jon Jenkins, Elijah Campbell, etc.
So, please, do not for 1 second tell me his team wasn't talented. There were massive and continued investments up and down that defense.
The stats bailed you out in 2020 because of how you played on the back end, but the Miami defense 100% regressed to mid-tier the following year and that was when you even got to play a bunch of "never seen him since" back-up QBs.
And btw, let us not forget one of the most ugly features...
...his first two defensive picks post-Tank were Noah Igbinoghene and Raekwon Davis who both ended up lousy players. Do NOT fool yourself into believing that was just Chris Grier making those picks. Your defensive coordinator HC absolutely had a hand in those selections and in making sure they got every opportunity each and every year as project players!
To say that defense wasn't well-stocked is ridiculous. You had a solid DL and a wealth of talent on the back-end. You hit on picks, FAs and UDFAs.
On offense Flores had Tua (who McDaniel proved was vastly under-utilized).
- You had Waddle in 2021 who was used (stupidly) as a possession WR.
- You had Gesicki who was just as good as any TE the Dolphins have had since (including Jonnu Smith!!).
- You had many of the same pieces on the OL (sadly)
You basically didn't have Terron Armstead, Tyreek Hill and some of the RB talent but I don't think Brian Flores was pounding the table for any of that kind of stuff. He seemed pretty content waiting on DeVante Parker and Preston Williams to figure out what was up.
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Please stop posting BS about Flores. Flores never made the playoffs and didn't empower anyone but himself. He was 24 and 25 as a head coach here, while McDaniel is 28-25 and made the playoffs twice. So please just stop because you look ignorant to anyone with any football IQ.
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Not sure who you are referring to but I certainly don’t think Flores did a good job overall with the team just based off the offense alone. Defensively I think he was and is an amazing coordinator but not a true leader of men with his holier than thou attitude
The talent he won 5 games that first year with...was absolutely atrocious. Do you remember how many 3rd stringers / guys not in or about to not be in the NFL were playing on that team?
5 wins with that team was an accomplishment. More-so than 10 McD wins with the talent this team has had.
Edit: Has last win that season was over the Patriots, WITH Brady, AT New England...with scrubs.
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They ain’t my boys until they earn that respect
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Tua was 13-8 (61.9%) starting for Flores as a rookie or 2nd player player on one of the youngest rebuild franchises.
Tua is 25-16 (60.9%) starting for McDaniel as a 3rd to 5th year veteran trading nearly 2 drafts for veterans on win-now deals.
Cecil Collins or Lawrence Philips, anyone?
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Love that part of moneyball
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Yea there are the crazies but you have to take a swing on elite talent with questions about their character.
For every Lawrence Phillips and Cecil Collins like you mentioned, there’s a taking Christian Wilkins over Jeffrey Simmons passing on Parsons and Chase and taking the safer pick…have to weigh the risk vs the reward, if a guy like Parsons hits with that profile then he could be generational and is as we are witnessing live.
I’m pretty sure (could be wrong) that Flores held 10 OTA’s and that never even lead to the playoffs, much less a playoff win.
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Yep… players are the culture.
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I hear ya. But even with those great players most seasons we were one and done or won the wildcard round then got smoked. I am 49. Been a fan since 1984. Even with those awesome guys you named. Damn we basically had same success most years as 2022 and 2023. Just might not happen for this franchise again. Seems like guys get down to Miami and want to party now and that’s with every coach after Jimmy.
I give McDaniel Tua credit for getting us in playoffs twice. Because it seems like it has not happened much. And when it does it’s always a wildcard at best.
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The organizationally tanked Flores’ first season and allegedly “joked” to pay him to lose games.
Flores was 13-8 (61.9%) with Tua starting as a rookie and 2nd year pup vs McDaniel has been 25-16 (60.9%) with Tua starting games as a 3rd to 5th year veteran.
Explain that ****.