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[NY8123]

It helps to have opponents that are willing to give and take. There's always going to be a couple bad apples both ways but they're easy enough to spot and ignore. I've enjoyed the banter and discussion this week and am looking forward to a good game. :up:

My prediction.....









I don't make predictions. I'm a jinx.

It will be a good game. I wouldn't expect to run on the D though lol. No one runs on the D. I'm not making a prediction this week either, the last two times I've made predictions we have lost by the amount I predicted we win by 3!

 

[72champagne]

i can see us getting blown out if carroll & marshall can't hang, along with tannehill being pressured into mistakes.

 

[The Tannehills Have Eyes]

Andy Dalton 10th best passer. Tanhill 15th best passer.

Bush 6th top rusher, BJGE 14th

1 and 2 receivers are hartline and then green. Hartline has 27 more yards than AJ, HOWEVER hartline has caught 25 of 47 balls thrown to him while AJ has caught 27 of 43. AJ also has two more TDs. Take into account that Andy works in Alot more targets as with AJ being more deadly, we have the edge by far with receiving core.

Geno has 5 sacks and MJ has 4. wake has 4.5.

Lol and I bet we would have better stats then those if we played the same opponents you did as well stop acting like we faced the same as you and as another phin poster said this is a game of matchups.

 

[Hellmarine]

No, we most likely have the best DLine in the NFL. Our #1 Run D proves that much. I don't know if you have 1 player on your Dline better than our worst starter on the Dline in Odrick. We also have 2 pro-bowl DT's in the middle and one of the best 4-3 DE's in the nfl today in Cameron Wake.

And even if Reggie does not go (I'm certain he will) our backup HB's are talented enough to carry the load, Lamar Miller is looking very good, and Daniel Thomas, besides the fumbles, works as a serviceable power back.

The Bengals might as well focus on the pass game, because if they put their full attention on our running game, our passing offense can get it done. I think that was proved against a very good Cardinals defense that is much better than the Bengals defense we're about to face.

I think it will be a challenge to defend the Bengals pass game, but I'm confident our Defense can step up. Taking out the run game will force Dalton to throw from 8-10 yards on 3rd down quite a lot, where Dalton has an 80.1 QB rating and has thrown 2 INTs with a 43% completion percentage. And add to the fact that the Bengals have only converted 27.7 percent of their 3rd downs which is good enough for 29th in the league, whereas the Dolphins have converted 43.5 percent of their 3rd downs, good enough for 7th best in the league.

It will be a good game, and it will be fun to watch. Every fan is confident in their team, and I know every team comes into Miami thinking it's a cake walk, but I think we've proven that we're better than people think, and have given the Jets and the Cardinals more of a fight then they thought.

Not here to troll or anything, just talk football, but your statement is 100% incorrect. The only player on your DLine that is even in the class of Geno Atkins is Cameron Wake. He is THE best DT in the league, bar-none. He is the most disruptive in the passing game as well as running game. Carlos Dunlap, as well is a wonderful end when he's healthy, and is definitely up there with some of the best. Michael Johnson and Peko are good players but work much better in a rotation, which the Bengals line thrives off of. But, even as good as the Dolphins defensive line is, the only player that is as good as Atkins or better than Dunlap is Wake.

 

[CMD]

Andy Dalton 10th best passer. Tanhill 15th best passer.

I'm not surprised that Dalton is 10th and Tannehill is 15th considering the Bengals have more of a passing attack, whereas the Dolphins are much more balanced. And considering Tannehill is a rookie and much wasn't expected out of him this year, I'm very pleased with that number.

Bush 6th top rusher, BJGE 14th

Would you rather put money on the 6th top rusher against the 24th ranked rushing defense that gives up 133.5 rushing yards a game or the 14th top rusher against the number 1 ranked defense that gives up 56.8 yards a game? Not to mention the fact that we haven't given up a 100 yard rusher in I believe 18 straight games.

1 and 2 receivers are hartline and then green. Hartline has 27 more yards than AJ, HOWEVER hartline has caught 25 of 47 balls thrown to him while AJ has caught 27 of 43. AJ also has two more TDs. Take into account that Andy works in Alot more targets as with AJ being more deadly, we have the edge by far with receiving core.

I don't think anybody here has questioned who the better receiver here is between Hartline and Green. Green is obviously a top 5 receiver in the league at this point. I'm also going to have to agree with another fellow poster that I'd take Davone Bess over Andrew Hawkins, Andrew Hawkins had 2 very impressive 50+ yard TDs, and has very good YAC ability. But Davone Bess is the more reliable receiver to go to, even though he's not going to get 50+ yard TD's, he's always been one of our most clutch 3rd down converters, right now he's tied for 3rd in the league for most 3rd down catches leading to a 1st down with 7. A couple years ago I believe he lead the league in 1st downs with 48, and then the next year he had 43 before having an off year last year. But it seems this year he's back to his old self.

Geno has 5 sacks and MJ has 4. wake has 4.5.

Wake leads the league in most sacks/hits/hurries combined in the nfl with 34, the next player behind him is Dumervil with 27. Wake may have a half a sack less than Geno, but he's much more of a threat . Not to add to the fact that Wake is 1 sack away from setting the Dolphins record for most sacks in their first 4 seasons. Wake is one of the best pure pass rushers in the nfl, and considered by a lot of people, the best. People gameplan for him every week, and he still gets to the QB.

Jared Odrick, Randy Starks, and Paul Soliai are all absolute beasts in the run game and are a very big part of why we're the number 1 run defense in the nfl. Even with how good Starks is in the run game, he still managed to have 4.5 sacks so far this year. Our Dline is better, both pass rushing and rush defense.

 

[CMD]

Not here to troll or anything, just talk football, but your statement is 100% incorrect. The only player on your DLine that is even in the class of Geno Atkins is Cameron Wake. He is THE best DT in the league, bar-none. He is the most disruptive in the passing game as well as running game. Carlos Dunlap, as well is a wonderful end when he's healthy, and is definitely up there with some of the best. Michael Johnson and Peko are good players but work much better in a rotation, which the Bengals line thrives off of. But, even as good as the Dolphins defensive line is, the only player that is as good as Atkins or better than Dunlap is Wake.

I disagree with your statement that Atkins is the best DT in the nfl, I'd rather have the pair of Soliai and Starks. Soliai, while he may not be a great pass rusher, can be considered the best run stopping Dlineman in the nfl right now. And he can just be subbed out during passing situations because of how deep our Dline rotation is. Add to the fact that Starks is one of the best combined run stopping and pass rushing Dlinemen in the nfl right now. I'd take our combination over the Bengals.

Not to mention that Dunlap and Atkins don't even touch Wake's ability to pass rush, Wake is the most disruptive 4-3 defensive player in the nfl right now. He has a half a sack less than Atkins but he leads the league by far with 34 combined sacks/hits/hurries.

 

[CANDolphan]

Atkins has a lot of sacks, but he's far from a complete DT. Him being the best DT in the NFL bar none is absolutely laughable. He has a lot of sacks right now, that's awesome. But... it means very little as a complete DT.

It's like saying Jimmy Graham is a better TE than Gronkowski simply because he has better receiving numbers. Gronk is 10 times the blocker. Gotta be a complete player! Only 3 more days until this is all put to rest.

 

[ckparrothead]

Geno Atkins is one of the very best defensive tackles in football.

 

[NY8123]

Not here to troll or anything, just talk football, but your statement is 100% incorrect. The only player on your DLine that is even in the class of Geno Atkins is Cameron Wake. He is THE best DT in the league, bar-none. He is the most disruptive in the passing game as well as running game. Carlos Dunlap, as well is a wonderful end when he's healthy, and is definitely up there with some of the best. Michael Johnson and Peko are good players but work much better in a rotation, which the Bengals line thrives off of. But, even as good as the Dolphins defensive line is, the only player that is as good as Atkins or better than Dunlap is Wake.

You guys will be familiarized with Mr. Soliai and Mr. Starks soon enough. Wake is the best pass rusher on Miami's D-line but the last 100 yard rusher came in game two of last season when Ben Tate managed 103 yards. No one has sniffed the mark this season and that is due to the aforementioned tandem in the middle.


Now if you said A.J. Green was going to catch 15 passes for 150 yards I wouldn't argue but saying Miami doesn't have a great D-line is totally incorrect kind sir, the Miami D-line is every bit as good as any in the NFL or better.


I'm a big fan of Hog Index at CHFF.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/stats/2012/5/DHI/

 

[Hellmarine]

I disagree with your statement that Atkins is the best DT in the nfl, I'd rather have the pair of Soliai and Starks. Soliai, while he may not be a great pass rusher, can be considered the best run stopping Dlineman in the nfl right now. And he can just be subbed out during passing situations because of how deep our Dline rotation is. Add to the fact that Starks is one of the best combined run stopping and pass rushing Dlinemen in the nfl right now. I'd take our combination over the Bengals.

Not to mention that Dunlap and Atkins don't even touch Wake's ability to pass rush, Wake is the most disruptive 4-3 defensive player in the nfl right now. He has a half a sack less than Atkins but he leads the league by far with 34 combined sacks/hits/hurries.

Name a defensive tackle better than Atkins right now, in both facets of the game.

Geno Atkins has been in on 60 run plays, and accumulated 6 stops, good for 10 percent of the snaps he's played in, which earns him the fifth spot in the league. Starks is ranked 10th, btw and Peko is #11. Now, Atkins has been in on 126 pass plays, and has accumulated 5 sacks, 3 hits, 11 hurries, which earns him the #1 spot in the league. Wake has been fantastic, but he's also been in on nearly 30 more pass plays.

Atkins is great against the run, and a monster in the pass game. There really isn't anyone playing at his level right now.

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You guys will be familiarized with Mr. Soliai and Mr. Starks soon enough. Wake is the best pass rusher on Miami's D-line but the last 100 yard rusher came in game two of last season when Ben Tate managed 103 yards. No one has sniffed the mark this season and that is due to the aforementioned tandem in the middle.


Now if you said A.J. Green was going to catch 15 passes for 150 yards I wouldn't argue but saying Miami doesn't have a great D-line is totally incorrect kind sir, the Miami D-line is every bit as good as any in the NFL or better.


I'm a big fan of Hog Index at CHFF.

I never said Miami doesn't have a great defensive line. I actually complimented it with "Even with as good as Miami's DLine is, the only player that is as good as Atkins or better than Dunlap is Wake." I fully know how dangerous that four are.

 

[ckparrothead]

This is the biggest and best offensive line the Dolphins defensive line will have faced all year. They won't toss these guys around like rag dolls like they have various other OLs.

Geno Atkins on John Jerry scares me. Carlos Dunlap on Jon Martin scares me even more. Atkins typically plays over right guard and Dunlap typically plays over right tackle.

I think Soliai will toss Jeff Faine around pretty easily but Faine will be getting a lot of help from Zeitler and Boling, both of whom are good. Those guards match up better with Starks and Odrick than John Jerry will with Atkins. Cam Wake should have a solid advantage over Andre Smith...but not as big an advantage as Carlos Dunlap will have over Jon Martin, IMO.

Then you look at the WR/DB matchups...with them getting healthier in the secondary whereas Miami is getting unhealthy then that's a problem. I think they can take care of Brian Hartline with aggressive corner coverage rather than safety help. The matchup that will be better for us will be Davone Bess against whoever they're tossing in on the inside this week (area's been a problem for them). The problem is I don't know if we can take care of A.J. Green even if we give extra help. Our safeties don't really know how to give a corner extra help. Or at least it seems that way a lot. I don't think we stop Andrew Hawkins from the slot if we do send extra help toward Green, especially if Richard Marshall misses the game. Overall you look at it and I think this is another advantage for them.

Reggie Bush's health will be key. He didn't look healthy to me last week and if he's still tentative this week then Miami will probably be sunk.

 

[Lilseb93]

Can you blame them? What do you expect?

 

[Travis34]

No what is laughable as people thinking Hartline is better than AJ Green:idk:. I'm not sure if you have noticed, but there are alot of people outside Cincinnati who believe AJ is top 3 receivers in the league. In addition the Bengals currently have one of the best passing offenses in the league; and Dalton has a near perfect passer rating in the 4th quarter.

You guys have 10X better running game than we do, other than that I think the Bengals have more talent in most facets (QB, WR, TE, dLine,).

Our linebackers have been subpar throughout the first 4 games, but looked better last week. Looks like Reggie may or may not go. If he sits, Bengals win easy.:up:

Who thinks Hartline is better than AJ Green?!

 

[Hellmarine]

This is the biggest and best offensive line the Dolphins defensive line will have faced all year. They won't toss these guys around like rag dolls like they have various other OLs.

Geno Atkins on John Jerry scares me. Carlos Dunlap on Jon Martin scares me even more. Atkins typically plays over right guard and Dunlap typically plays over right tackle.

I think Soliai will toss Jeff Faine around pretty easily but Faine will be getting a lot of help from Zeitler and Boling, both of whom are good. Those guards match up better with Starks and Odrick than John Jerry will with Atkins. Cam Wake should have a solid advantage over Andre Smith...but not as big an advantage as Carlos Dunlap will have over Jon Martin, IMO.

Then you look at the WR/DB matchups...with them getting healthier in the secondary whereas Miami is getting unhealthy then that's a problem. I think they can take care of Brian Hartline with aggressive corner coverage rather than safety help. The matchup that will be better for us will be Davone Bess against whoever they're tossing in on the inside this week (area's been a problem for them). The problem is I don't know if we can take care of A.J. Green even if we give extra help. Our safeties don't really know how to give a corner extra help. Or at least it seems that way a lot. I don't think we stop Andrew Hawkins from the slot if we do send extra help toward Green, especially if Richard Marshall misses the game. Overall you look at it and I think this is another advantage for them.

Reggie Bush's health will be key. He didn't look healthy to me last week and if he's still tentative this week then Miami will probably be sunk.

Great post. And it should definitely be a concern that the Bengals two premiere pass rushers are on the Dolphins two worst pass blockers. Even if left one-on-one, Long should be able to handle Johnson, but he is a really athletic end and standing at 6'7, he is really, really long. He has 18 pressures so far into the season.

Wake is going to be matched up on Andre Smith which will be a good battle as well. Smith has been great in pass-pro this year, but he is about to get a huge challenge. Odrick will more than likely be taken out of the game going up against Whitworth, who has been fantastic in pass protection this year, number four in the league.

Sean Smith is going to be the best bet against AJ Green. Smith at 6'3 has been the Dolphins best corner, and he'll get another week of excellence. From Fitz to Green, two of the leagues best receivers, except Green has a little bit better of a QB getting the ball to him.

I'm really excited to watch some of the individual match-ups on Sunday. Should be a good game.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

This is the biggest and best offensive line the Dolphins defensive line will have faced all year. They won't toss these guys around like rag dolls like they have various other OLs.

Geno Atkins on John Jerry scares me. Carlos Dunlap on Jon Martin scares me even more. Atkins typically plays over right guard and Dunlap typically plays over right tackle.

I think Soliai will toss Jeff Faine around pretty easily but Faine will be getting a lot of help from Zeitler and Boling, both of whom are good. Those guards match up better with Starks and Odrick than John Jerry will with Atkins. Cam Wake should have a solid advantage over Andre Smith...but not as big an advantage as Carlos Dunlap will have over Jon Martin, IMO.

Then you look at the WR/DB matchups...with them getting healthier in the secondary whereas Miami is getting unhealthy then that's a problem. I think they can take care of Brian Hartline with aggressive corner coverage rather than safety help. The matchup that will be better for us will be Davone Bess against whoever they're tossing in on the inside this week (area's been a problem for them). The problem is I don't know if we can take care of A.J. Green even if we give extra help. Our safeties don't really know how to give a corner extra help. Or at least it seems that way a lot. I don't think we stop Andrew Hawkins from the slot if we do send extra help toward Green, especially if Richard Marshall misses the game. Overall you look at it and I think this is another advantage for them.

Reggie Bush's health will be key. He didn't look healthy to me last week and if he's still tentative this week then Miami will probably be sunk.

i was more worried about the Texans than I am the Bengals.

Want to neutralize the pass rush. Run the ball against the suspect run defense. All day.

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Who thinks Hartline is better than AJ Green?!

NO one.