Clayton on Bills Offense, (any new QB/Offence info. from Jets, Phins Camps)

[Iroquois Joe]

With Rookie and/or unproven QBs on every AFCE team except the Pats, the Jets, Dolphins and Bills fans can only speculate on how affective their teams will move the ball down the field this year.

Here is an article by ESPN's Clayton with his observations on what he has seen the Bills are working on.

My question to Jets and Phins Phans is how is your Offenses looking? Articles to post, comments, etc.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3438951

 

[HughC]

I just read that same article, it will be interesting to see if Buffalo can implement this change. It can't hurt - "We were the 30th-ranked offense the past two years,'' Schonert said. "I think the players are excited about the change.''

If they can pull it off, the Bills will be worth watching for the first time since Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas were there.

Tempo was one of the keys to Wyche's success. He found ways to get 11 offensive players to react more quickly than defensive players could think. He'd quick snap before defenders were set. He'd devise schemes to get defenders offside. He'd shuttle players on and off the field so he could play with the minds of defensive coaches and try to confuse an opposing defense's personnel groupings. Schonert, Buffalo's quarterbacks coach last season who was promoted after Fairchild took a head-coaching job at Colorado State, will bring a thinking man's approach to the Bills' offense.

I remember a playoff game where Kelly and the Bills decimated the Raiders, who were favored, using the no-huddle right from the opening drive. The Raiders had to use a time out on defense just to give their guys a breather and a chance to regroup, but Buffalo scored anyway and won by about 40 points.

"We're doing a little of what we did in Cincinnati,'' said first-year offensive coordinator Turk Schonert, who spent eight of his nine seasons with Wyche as a Bengals quarterback. "It was a little different back then. Back then, you didn't have free agency and movement, so you could hold a team together. You kept going and going and had a huge library.''

It will be interesting to see if Buffalo can effectively run this offense now. If it's based on keeping the defense off balance, they need a 'huge library' of plays to choose from. But if they have to limit the number of plays they run so their own players can learn it, will defenses be caught off guard?

 

[MattM]

I just read that same article, it will be interesting to see if Buffalo can implement this change. It can't hurt - "We were the 30th-ranked offense the past two years,'' Schonert said. "I think the players are excited about the change.''

If they can pull it off, the Bills will be worth watching for the first time since Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas were there.

Tempo was one of the keys to Wyche's success. He found ways to get 11 offensive players to react more quickly than defensive players could think. He'd quick snap before defenders were set. He'd devise schemes to get defenders offside. He'd shuttle players on and off the field so he could play with the minds of defensive coaches and try to confuse an opposing defense's personnel groupings. Schonert, Buffalo's quarterbacks coach last season who was promoted after Fairchild took a head-coaching job at Colorado State, will bring a thinking man's approach to the Bills' offense.

I remember a playoff game where Kelly and the Bills decimated the Raiders, who were favored, using the no-huddle right from the opening drive. The Raiders had to use a time out on defense just to give their guys a breather and a chance to regroup, but Buffalo scored anyway and won by about 40 points.

"We're doing a little of what we did in Cincinnati,'' said first-year offensive coordinator Turk Schonert, who spent eight of his nine seasons with Wyche as a Bengals quarterback. "It was a little different back then. Back then, you didn't have free agency and movement, so you could hold a team together. You kept going and going and had a huge library.''

It will be interesting to see if Buffalo can effectively run this offense now. If it's based on keeping the defense off balance, they need a 'huge library' of plays to choose from. But if they have to limit the number of plays they run so their own players can learn it, will defenses be caught off guard?

It will be interesting to see--as you correctly note, it may take awhile to install, but I'm not sure how patient fans or management will be. In addition, all of our offseason issues (Lynch's immaturity in dealing with his recent legal troubles, Peters' potential holdout and Hardy's involvement with Lynch's problems (he was apparently in the car) seem to be on that side of the ball. I'm hoping they iron them out before training camp, but we'll see.....

 

[CirclingWagons]

I just read that same article, it will be interesting to see if Buffalo can implement this change. It can't hurt - "We were the 30th-ranked offense the past two years,'' Schonert said. "I think the players are excited about the change.''

If they can pull it off, the Bills will be worth watching for the first time since Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas were there.

Tempo was one of the keys to Wyche's success. He found ways to get 11 offensive players to react more quickly than defensive players could think. He'd quick snap before defenders were set. He'd devise schemes to get defenders offside. He'd shuttle players on and off the field so he could play with the minds of defensive coaches and try to confuse an opposing defense's personnel groupings. Schonert, Buffalo's quarterbacks coach last season who was promoted after Fairchild took a head-coaching job at Colorado State, will bring a thinking man's approach to the Bills' offense.

I remember a playoff game where Kelly and the Bills decimated the Raiders, who were favored, using the no-huddle right from the opening drive. The Raiders had to use a time out on defense just to give their guys a breather and a chance to regroup, but Buffalo scored anyway and won by about 40 points.

"We're doing a little of what we did in Cincinnati,'' said first-year offensive coordinator Turk Schonert, who spent eight of his nine seasons with Wyche as a Bengals quarterback. "It was a little different back then. Back then, you didn't have free agency and movement, so you could hold a team together. You kept going and going and had a huge library.''

It will be interesting to see if Buffalo can effectively run this offense now. If it's based on keeping the defense off balance, they need a 'huge library' of plays to choose from. But if they have to limit the number of plays they run so their own players can learn it, will defenses be caught off guard?

The 1990-91 AFC Championship game:wink:
Bills 51, Raiders 3:up: didn't realize the Raiders were favored tho...

 

[jp2lee783]

The 1990-91 AFC Championship game:wink:
Bills 51, Raiders 3:up: didn't realize the Raiders were favored tho...

I don't think they were favored for that game. He might be talking about the Divisional Playoff game in the 93-94 season. The Bills were the #1 seed in the AFC and I'm pretty sure they already beat the Raiders once that year.

 

[ch19079]

To be honest, any change from last years "run, run, 4 yard pass" offense will be an improvement.

But any offense (new or old) really depends on the QB. I just hope Edwards can finally solve our QB problems.

 

[fatkirstyalley]

I hate the bills and all their fans. But, I must admit I like Trent Edwards for some reason. I would wish you guys luck this year, but..lets be honest.........

 

[feelthepain]

The Bills IMO are the worst team in the division. I know Miami had a bad year last year, but I think most of that falls on Cam Cameron. There is no chance in hell we should have lost that many games last year, the year before we had a very good ST unit and we had a top 5 defense, there's no way we should have been as bad as we were if it weren't for the poor coaching poor personnel changes and total lack of control Cam had with that team.

The Bills were simply very lucky to win 7 games. Theres obviously a reason that team finished with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years. To be that bad on both sides of the ball and win 7 games is pure luck. Heck Miami had far more injuries on offense then the Bills and we still managed to finish higher in scoring and total offense then the Bills and we only won one game last year. If we can win only one game yet have a better offense with far more injuries then Buffalo, then obviously they were lucky to win 7 games. Oh and our defense finished better then theirs too, and we had a bunch of injuries there too.

 

[BuffaloSoldier2]

The Bills IMO are the worst team in the division. I know Miami had a bad year last year, but I think most of that falls on Cam Cameron. There is no chance in hell we should have lost that many games last year, the year before we had a very good ST unit and we had a top 5 defense, there's no way we should have been as bad as we were if it weren't for the poor coaching poor personnel changes and total lack of control Cam had with that team.

The Bills were simply very lucky to win 7 games. Theres obviously a reason that team finished with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years. To be that bad on both sides of the ball and win 7 games is pure luck. Heck Miami had far more injuries on offense then the Bills and we still managed to finish higher in scoring and total offense then the Bills and we only won one game last year. If we can win only one game yet have a better offense with far more injuries then Buffalo, then obviously they were lucky to win 7 games. Oh and our defense finished better then theirs too, and we had a bunch of injuries there too.

:sidelol:

 

[feelthepain]

:sidelol:

Yeah, that's basically how I feel about a Bills team that over the last 10 years is the worst team in the division....BY FAR!!!

 

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Yeah, that's basically how I feel about a Bills team that over the last 10 years is the worst team in the division....BY FAR!!!

:up:

 

[Iroquois Joe]

The Bills IMO are the worst team in the division. I know Miami had a bad year last year, but I think most of that falls on Cam Cameron. There is no chance in hell we should have lost that many games last year, the year before we had a very good ST unit and we had a top 5 defense, there's no way we should have been as bad as we were if it weren't for the poor coaching poor personnel changes and total lack of control Cam had with that team.

The Bills were simply very lucky to win 7 games. Theres obviously a reason that team finished with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years. To be that bad on both sides of the ball and win 7 games is pure luck. Heck Miami had far more injuries on offense then the Bills and we still managed to finish higher in scoring and total offense then the Bills and we only won one game last year. If we can win only one game yet have a better offense with far more injuries then Buffalo, then obviously they were lucky to win 7 games. Oh and our defense finished better then theirs too, and we had a bunch of injuries there too.

Post me some Fins articles to read, make a couple of comments.

Shoulda Woulda..I see the same thing on the Bills message boards. If OC Fairchild had a pair, injuries, Losman, rookies, bad officiating, clock management, etc. It is what it is regardless. And yes the Bills were fortunate to win 7 games last year.

So when I read your thoughts, it sounds like sour grapes, but there are lot of pundits that agree with you. The people at ESPN, Sporting news, to name a few, look at the overall Bills production and performance and based on that don't give them high marks this year to contend for anything much more than a fight for the division basement....with the Fins no less.

And so they shoudn't. The Bills really haven't proven anything much accept that the young team will play hard for the coach.

On the other hand, a few like Vinnie Iyer and Lomardi at SI show the Bills a little love. I'm sure you can find, I look for them too, examples that vary drastically for all teams in our div., except the Pats.

So here are two. One I like, one I don't.

Sports Illustrated's Lombardi loves the Bills. Thinks they could be a wild card team over competition like Cleveland. Doesn't even mention the Jets.

Possible. Edwards could take a giant step, the O and D lines are playing together for the second year (new commers like Stroud and Spencer should not have too difficult a curve to follow and should gel quickly). Hardy could seamlessly make the transition to the pros, a good pass catching tight end could emerge to move the chains, Schouman perhaps, Lynch could be the 2nd comming of Faulk, I could go on blah blah, with the easy sched. and thoughts on he secondary and linebacker core, but you get the picture.

Now....over to Sports illustrated.
5f'n-11. That's it. Who is this jerk? But hey, like I said the Bills haven't done a thing (in the eyes of many) to earn anyone's respect other than play scrappy above themselves ball.

They are a McCargo or Stroud injury away from lasts years problems from the line back. Edwards could get injured or play worse than his rookie season. The playcalling could be as vanilla as last year, Hardy struggles, injuries, no OL depth, no TE that scares anyone, let alone has to be game planned for, again there are all sorts of arguements why 5-11 is realistic.


First the good for Buf fans
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rdi/07/16/frankly.football/index.html?eref=T1

Now the bad, for everyone else to enjoy
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=434207

 

[John from Hemet]

The Bills IMO are the worst team in the division. I know Miami had a bad year last year, but I think most of that falls on Cam Cameron. There is no chance in hell we should have lost that many games last year, the year before we had a very good ST unit and we had a top 5 defense, there's no way we should have been as bad as we were if it weren't for the poor coaching poor personnel changes and total lack of control Cam had with that team.

The Bills were simply very lucky to win 7 games. Theres obviously a reason that team finished with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years. To be that bad on both sides of the ball and win 7 games is pure luck. Heck Miami had far more injuries on offense then the Bills and we still managed to finish higher in scoring and total offense then the Bills and we only won one game last year. If we can win only one game yet have a better offense with far more injuries then Buffalo, then obviously they were lucky to win 7 games. Oh and our defense finished better then theirs too, and we had a bunch of injuries there too.

You cant be serious.....

 

[jp2lee783]

The Bills IMO are the worst team in the division. I know Miami had a bad year last year, but I think most of that falls on Cam Cameron. There is no chance in hell we should have lost that many games last year, the year before we had a very good ST unit and we had a top 5 defense, there's no way we should have been as bad as we were if it weren't for the poor coaching poor personnel changes and total lack of control Cam had with that team.

The Bills were simply very lucky to win 7 games. Theres obviously a reason that team finished with the 30th ranked offense and the 31st ranked defense the last 2 years. To be that bad on both sides of the ball and win 7 games is pure luck. Heck Miami had far more injuries on offense then the Bills and we still managed to finish higher in scoring and total offense then the Bills and we only won one game last year. If we can win only one game yet have a better offense with far more injuries then Buffalo, then obviously they were lucky to win 7 games. Oh and our defense finished better then theirs too, and we had a bunch of injuries there too.

You're right. The Bills had no injuries last season. Wait. They had the most players on IR.

 

[feelthepain]

You're right. The Bills had no injuries last season. Wait. They had the most players on IR.

Yeah, and of that list how many were on the offense? The 30th ranked offense? the Dolphins won one game and had a better ranked offense and scored more points in 07.

As for "ALLLLLL the Bills injuries on defense" not one player has a history of being a great player in the NFL. No pro bowlers, no ALL- PROS, no one with playoff experience, nothing. Yet Bill fans lean on this fact like it means something. Well if the Bills were the Pats and had Brady and Moss and Thomas and lost players of that level and then cried we only won 7 games cause those players were injured, then that would be a credible excuse.

But to lose players like Ko Simpson and Paul Posluzny and cry about how many injuries they had is laughable. The Bills lost the most "unproven" players in the league...that's all.

Many of the players they lost last year were healthy in 06 and the Bills were 31st on defense finished 30th on offense, and won just 7 games. Everything the Bills did healthy in 06 they did injured in 07. So how can Bill fans say the players they lost in 07 would have made them better had they been healthy?? It didn't make them better the year before!!

Bill fans use this stupid injury excuse like a crutch, and expect people to be dumb enough to believe the injuries were the difference in 07 from a bad team to a good team. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Miami had a ton of injuries too, but Bill fans think Miami just sucks, we get no credit for all our injuries in 07, Nooooo!!! Bill fans just ignore the loses Miami had and say we are just simply an awful team....funny how that door swings. It's an excuse for one team and not the other...frikin classic!!!!!

Fact is the Bills have no history in the last 5 years of being a good team, but we are supposed to believe they are suddenly a team that can compete for the division and a playoff spot. Whatever!!