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Clean house... AND DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME!

I stated in previous threads, the problem is not one of firing and blowing it up.

We have organizational issues that are above the HC and GM. We have many problems: leadership, direction, fan participation, continuity, national image, respect and the list goes on.

We do not need "up and coming" coaches who have never held a HC job before. We don't need unproven people at GM, HC and higher up. We don't need flash in the pants hot names that have done it in college, but not in the NFL.

We need a person who has experience leading, planning, developing and cultivating an organization. We attempted this with Bill Parcells but we picked the wrong guy. We don't need someone who's on a 3 - 5 year retirement plan.

We need someone who understands and controls the big organizational picture but can also walk down to the locker room and talk to the players and have a unifying impact on the team.

Think Pat Riley, Howard Schnellenberger and Tony Dungy.

And before you go bashing that we can't get "this guy" or "that guy", understand you're approaching the problem in the wrong fashion. We need a PLAN.

Forget the new stadium. How do we make this one work? Forget Player X or GM X or Coach X. Ross needs an organizational plan. He needs a direction for this team.

And if he can't honestly make one, he needs to realize he needs to find someone who can and provide that man with the resources he needs to succeed.

Our problems go all the way down to the grass roots. And that's were a new Coach, GM, President or whatever title this agent of change has needs to start. Rebranding our logo didn't rebrand the product.

The machine is broke. It needs to be rebuilt.

But there are very few people that truly know how to do it. This is not a time to go looking under rocks for the next big thing. We need a proven leader.
 
Dolphins7273 said:
Tannehill may be "up and coming" but he hasn't gotten anywhere yet. Until he proves he's not the turnover/sack machine we've been seeing, I don't wanna hear about how our QB position has been solved. Our OL is trash, our linebackers suck, running game is spotty, our receiving core leaves a lot to be desired. Ireland had to spend on free agents to try and bring in the playmakers he hasn't drafted in his 5 years here, and we're currently sitting at a meager 4-4. Why haven't they dominated any of the games they won? Why couldn't they beat Buffalo at home with a third string QB?
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Yeah man, our whole team totally sucks! Nice talkin'!

Just gonna start blocking these 'fans'.
 
Dolphins7273 said:
Tannehill may be "up and coming" but he hasn't gotten anywhere yet. Until he proves he's not the turnover/sack machine we've been seeing, I don't wanna hear about how our QB position has been solved. Our OL is trash, our linebackers suck, running game is spotty, our receiving core leaves a lot to be desired. Ireland had to spend on free agents to try and bring in the playmakers he hasn't drafted in his 5 years here, and we're currently sitting at a meager 4-4. Why haven't they dominated any of the games they won? Why couldn't they beat Buffalo at home with a third string QB?
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agree with this actually. He hasnt been proven yet. Not ready to give up, but not ready to say he is the answer either.

EDIT: That being said...the rest of your post is garbage, you expect WAY too much too soon. Look at the league this year. Only 2 teams are blowing people up consistantly.
 
No way is Ireland/Philbin fired over this. Team is solid. This is about exactly where I thought we'd be before the season. Well, 5 and 3 but, we are a tough team and I personally, never had super bowl or deep playoff aspirations so, I don't understand the the panic about the product in the field. We all thought Clabo would solidify the right side but, we all also knew, Martin was a question mark. Yes, we hoped Martin would grow but, he didn't. It's not like we didn't know this was a possibility. Who here was sold on John Jerry? Raise your hand. I wasn't. But, if you think about it, that's the only GLARING weakness on our team. For all you saying, 'the team is still mediocre' or 'Ireland still hasn't put together a winner', where exactly did you see this team being at this point in the season? EVERYONE knew our first 5 games were a grueling first 5. A lot of us, including me thought, if we get thru our first 5 with a 3- 2 record, we would be lucky. Well? I'm sorry but, what's on the field, is about exactly where we thought we would be at this point. At least, any people with a sense of reality thought we'd be right about where we are.

Now, this incog ish is bad. I don't want to clean house. I want both, Philbin and Ireland back next season. What this incident does is, give credence to talk of Bill Cowher, John Gruden or other SB winning coaches, coming in and taking over next year. Because of this, it's make the playoffs or be fired.

But facts are, as is right now, we are contending for a playoff spot, if we can improve our oline, we are a strong playoff team who can win a game or 2 in the playoffs. Who disagrees? 2nd statement isn't fact but, who disagrees?

On the field both Ireland and Philbin are coming back next season, especially if we finish strong. Add this BS into the equation, questions can be asked about other SB winning coaches and other GMs but, only if we aren't a strong team to finish the season. If we look like we are building into something at season's end- and we'd recognize it because we haven't seen it in awhile- they will withstand the fire for another season.
 
unfortunately, I think I have to agree with the opening poster.

We all knew Incognito was an idiot, but this has gone beyond his childishness & seems has been going on for quite a while now. I fear because Martin isn't a Joe Thomas superstar lineman, Richie was able to get away with Philbin & co knowing what was going on. I mean can you actually see Philbin having the presence or balls to do anything - Hard Knocks showed us more than we were willing to accept, but we were just happy with a new coach who didn't fist pump field goals - to me he's too much of co-ordinator material & so far the games & drama which he is meant to be in charge of has showed me little to increase my faith in him.

Clean house - this franchise is becoming the joke of the NFL, both on and off the field.
 
Here we go again with all the drama with this team.
Can we please hire a GM and HC that aren't a joke.
Ross needs to clean house from top to bottom and that includes scouts who can actually spot talent,
The moves Ireland makes are pathetic.
Boy I miss Shula
 
finfanaz said:
Just like Sparano took us from 1-15 to 11-5? Just like that huh?
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For every Sparano you bring up, I can bring up a Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Chuck Pagano, Andy Reid, etc. Philbin is nothing special so far. He's the offensive guru but we have a bottom 15 offense...he's an offensive line specialist but we have a bottom five offensive line...he's handcuffed himself to what amounts to, thus far, an underwhelming offensive coordinator in Mike Sherman.

I honestly could care less whether he goes or stays at this point, but my question is...What makes some of you think losing him is going to be some catastrophic setback? Are you that concerned about losing his stellar sub 500 record? Maybe we'll take a step back by firing him, but sometimes you have to take a step back in order to take multiple steps forward. If getting rid of Ireland causes Philbin to be gone then sorry Joe, but good riddance.

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ac_lanham said:
For every Sparano you bring up, I can bring up a Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Chuck Pagano, Andy Reid, etc. Philbin is nothing special so far. He's the offensive guru but we have a bottom 15 offense...he's an offensive line specialist but we have a bottom five offensive line...he's handcuffed himself to what amounts to, thus far, an underwhelming offensive coordinator in Mike Sherman.

I honestly could care less whether he goes or stays at this point, but my question is...What makes some of you think losing him is going to be some catastrophic setback? Are you that concerned about losing his stellar sub 500 record? Maybe we'll take a step back by firing him, but sometimes you have to take a step back in order to take multiple steps forward. If getting rid of Ireland causes Philbin to be gone then sorry Joe, but good riddance.

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Problem is we seem to always be taking that step back every few years or so. It's not that anyone thinks Philbin is a great coach or losing him would be "catastrophic", we just don't want to go thru switching coaches....AGAIN.... when this coach hasn't proven himself either way just yet. Stop the dramatics.
 
Dolphins7273 said:
There have been bad seeds planted here for years, and instead of getting rid of them, they keep peeing on them, and helping them grow. Fire everyone on the coaching staff, and front office. They kept the GM/Hemorrhoid from the previous regime, and here we are again with a mediocre team, that will likely be sitting at home with their thumbs up their ass come playoff time. Now we gotta deal with another national embarrassment with the Martin situation to top it all off. Does anyone seriously feel like keeping anyone after this latest debacle? Does anyone seriously think that this piece of flaming garbage that calls itself a "team" will get anywhere near a Super Bowl as currently constructed?
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What a douche' bag. Go be a Jest fan.
 
mbhcu98 said:
Problem is we seem to always be taking that step back every few years or so. It's not that anyone thinks Philbin is a great coach or losing him would be "catastrophic", we just don't want to go thru switching coaches....AGAIN.... when this coach hasn't proven himself either way just yet. Stop the dramatics.
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Nothing dramatic here, I think he's a stubborn hypocrite who hasn't proven himself to be a good coach so far. Based on this thread itself, many people share my same sentiments. Will he turn things around...? I hope so
 
And bring in who another scrub I wanted to keep Sparano because i knew all we would do is hire another scrub for a head coach if we fired Sparano and the same thing is going to happen if we fire Philbin we need to settle for a head coach how do we expect to settle for a franchise QB if we can't even stick with a head coach I truly believe we had a better shot at landing Peyton Manning if we had stuck with Sparano.
 
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