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I was trolling the chargers website and it appears lemon has the fans support to move up to the #2 spot on the qb depth chart. Peter Schrager for fox sports rated the bolts backup qb a "D" in the depth chart. He had to apologize to the fans as he was refering to rivers and had forgot about cleo lemons. He graded Lemon an "A" and said the depth chart needed to be adjusted. I know wtf does one sports writer count. But if the fans get behind lemon as it appears they are it makes Rivers expendable. He might have been anyhow but with the injury factor in place San Diego may use Rivers as trade bait if not this year most likely next year. The salary cap issue may make it tough this year, but hey if there is a will there is a way. Gus played good and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, but one he is old as qb's go and two with injuries I am not comfortable with our backups. The fans at the charger's site have either Tampa Bay or the fins making a play for Rivers. I think River's is going to be a great qb and would fit saban's style of play. As it doesnot look like we will get a shot at drafting very early in the draft, we should make a run at Rivers. The downside of playing good is the few good qbs in the draft will most likely not be available. Thus Rivers appears to be our best option. Cann't seem to get the Fox article to upload. Invalid file. Chargers.com is the site it is on.
 
no disrespect intended, but if rivers can't beat out brees or lemon, why do you think he'll be a great qb? he's a number three guy right now - didn't we just trade for someone else's number three guy for his potential, and hasn't that not turned out so well? considering how much the chargers gave up to get rivers, his price tag will be huge. because he's been in the league for a couple of years, maybe he's a bit better prepared but is he the answer? are you sure? maybe we'd be better off taking our chances and drafting someone next year.
 
Rivers is a good QB. Our draft # will decide if we go after Rivers or draft a QB. But I think we will probaly go after Rivers since we will have the 32nd draft pick next year.
 
PHAZINPHINZPHAN said:
Rivers is a good QB. Our draft # will decide if we go after Rivers or draft a QB. But I think we will probaly go after Rivers since we will have the 32nd draft pick next year.
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I hope so on both counts. :D
 
cowtowndick said:
no disrespect intended, but if rivers can't beat out brees or lemon, why do you think he'll be a great qb? he's a number three guy right now - didn't we just trade for someone else's number three guy for his potential, and hasn't that not turned out so well? considering how much the chargers gave up to get rivers, his price tag will be huge. because he's been in the league for a couple of years, maybe he's a bit better prepared but is he the answer? are you sure? maybe we'd be better off taking our chances and drafting someone next year.
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Imo he is going to be a great qb. Feel free to disagree. His price tag will be lofty no doubt. Most good qbs are expensive. I don't know if he is the anserw nor do we know if a drafted qb or someone else's backup is the anserw. But at some point you have to take that risk. Looking over the qb landscape it appears the pickings are going to be slim. Imo Rivers would be our best bet. Guaranteed no. But best risk. I am worried we will finish to high to draft a decent qb. Thus our draft options are not as good as say last year. Rivers had an outstanding college career. That counts for something. He made a mistake and held out and Brees took his job and does not look to be ready to give it up anytime soon. Therefore I say take the risk and get him if at all possible. I think gus is a stop gap and we need to find what maybe the last missing piece to a great team that competes with the likes of the patsies.
 
cowtowndick said:
considering how much the chargers gave up to get rivers, his price tag will be huge.
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i dont think san diego gave up all that much, when you consider how many draft picks they got back in the deal.

and if you combine that with the fact they have a pro-bowl caliber starting QB (if brees plays well again) combined with the fact it would cost a ton of money to keep him (i dont know how much of a hit theyd take for a trade) i dont think theyd hold out for an outrageous offer...

personally i've always thought rivers is gonna be great, so i wouldnt mind sending a late 1st rounder for him......although if people feel he is falling on the depth chart that obviously makes me a little less confident in my scouting ability
 
I was one of Rivers' biggest supporters in the NFL draft, but I don't want him here in Miami operating Scott Linehan's system. I don't believe his release is a problem, but he does not have the arm strength to operate this sytem the way it needs to be operated to have success.
 
Rivers may or may not be a great QB someday - I just would rather draft our OWN guy. Let our coaches scout and interview them - then make their own decision. IMO we already tried bringing in a million different QB's (Huard, Feidler, Lucas, Greise, Feeley) and it just isn't working. Lets get a 22 yr old kid in here that we can coach and mold the way we want to instead of constantly trying to pick up someone else's castoff. I understand his position is slightly different but I thikn he was drafted far far too high and his price tag is not worth his potential. If we want a guy with bad mechanics but great stats and leadership there is a guy in BG that will probably be a lot cheaper and available around our pick.
 
I have followed Phillip at State his entire career. The dude has size, strength, and more grit than 75% of NFL QBs (at least he did, I know that that one will have to be tested again.) Why is he sliding in San Diegos opinion? Who knows for sure, but he definately is worth a serious consideration. He never surpassed Breese because of 3 letters...MVP. They couldn't mess with that chemestry. Will his price tag be too high? Probably. When Wanny & Rick were at the helm, I would have been scared of overreaching for him, but with Nick sticking to his guns the way he does, I have total faith that we will use all of the caution in the world. If we pass on him, OK. But if we do land him, it will mean that we got him at a good $ with miles of potential. Can't wait to see how this unfolds.
 
PhiNomina said:
Rivers may or may not be a great QB someday - I just would rather draft our OWN guy. Let our coaches scout and interview them - then make their own decision. IMO we already tried bringing in a million different QB's (Huard, Feidler, Lucas, Greise, Feeley) and it just isn't working. Lets get a 22 yr old kid in here that we can coach and mold the way we want to instead of constantly trying to pick up someone else's castoff. I understand his position is slightly different but I thikn he was drafted far far too high and his price tag is not worth his potential. If we want a guy with bad mechanics but great stats and leadership there is a guy in BG that will probably be a lot cheaper and available around our pick.
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I think there is a huge difference between bringing in a guy like Fiedler and bringing in Rivers. Right now I think Rivers would be ranked 2nd among Qb's who would be available in this years draft behind Leinart. I still think Sd keeps him and Brees is traded. I think Sd is a good team, but I believe they take a huge hit if they trade Rivers, so my guess is Brees is traded.
 
ckparrothead said:
I was one of Rivers' biggest supporters in the NFL draft, but I don't want him here in Miami operating Scott Linehan's system. I don't believe his release is a problem, but he does not have the arm strength to operate this sytem the way it needs to be operated to have success.
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CK Im kinda in the Rivers camp. I was interested in knowing where you came up with the "arm strength" thing" I had always thought he had a very strong arm.

I did some checking..."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/philip_rivers

ANALYSIS
Positives: Has a tall, linear build with adequate body thickness and good size for his position … Shows good arm strength and velocity … Smart athlete who makes proper judgments (rarely throws into traffic) … Has great poise and pocket presence; he will stand tall and deliver under pressure … Takes control in the huddle and is well-respected by his teammates … Displays above-average ball placement in the short-area passing game and throws a very catchable ball, knowing exactly when to zip the pigskin and when to show touch … Has a natural feel for when he needs to slide out of the pocket and avoid the pass rush … Always seems to be in sync with his receivers, doing an excellent job in timing his tosses and anticipating when to hit his targets in stride … Has a keen understanding of the offense, keeping his head on a swivel as he checks down the line … Vocal leader who works hard in the weight room and practices … Highly competitive type who is not afraid to "mix it up" when defenders get overaggressive … Has the body strength to fight off pressure and get free from the blitz …More comfortable in the short-to-intermediate passing game, displaying incredible accuracy … Not fast, but can buy time with his feet and maintains his accuracy throwing on the move (his precision allows him to squeeze the ball into tight areas) … Will need mechanical refinement, but much like Brett Favre, this kid is a flat-out winner.


Possibly this analysis agrees with your arm strength quote a bit. I wonder if that can be improved? What do you think?

I just think Phillip Rivers..once given the chance to develop and start..will be a great QB. I think this is the year to make such a move..as we can give him the year to learn the system behind Gus.
 
PhiNomina said:
Rivers may or may not be a great QB someday - I just would rather draft our OWN guy. Let our coaches scout and interview them - then make their own decision. IMO we already tried bringing in a million different QB's (Huard, Feidler, Lucas, Greise, Feeley) and it just isn't working. Lets get a 22 yr old kid in here that we can coach and mold the way we want to instead of constantly trying to pick up someone else's castoff. I understand his position is slightly different but I thikn he was drafted far far too high and his price tag is not worth his potential. If we want a guy with bad mechanics but great stats and leadership there is a guy in BG that will probably be a lot cheaper and available around our pick.
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Rivers is 23 years old he is young and eager to learn he is just in a bad situation in San Deigo like FRESHNESS said chemistry. To me Brees is the chargers qb for future he played well sunday they aint going to put in their second stringer if their starter is playing that well. IMO i would rather have a qb like Rivers that has the talent been in the NFL for 2 seasons.


People would be surprised how much arm strength he has and accuracy at that. Saban will make the decision Rivers probably havent even been thought of by Saban who knows. I know we cant keep having 30 some year olds competing for starting job.
 
OH BOY another Rivers thread. Not seen one of these before here.

This man gets more MB time on a Phins board then he does for the team he plays for.

Go figure.
 
I think it should also be noted that the Dolphins are not the only team who would be in the Rivers sweepstakes if he were to be shopped around...At any rate...I would prefer to get lucky like the Pats did and draft a guy in the lower rounds that we could pay 5 bucks an hour till he turns out to be the next Brady....Of course that rarely happens...but it does happen.
 
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