Colts give Jonathan Taylor permission to be Traded

[Mach2]

You do realize Dillon had less than 51 yards per game, a whopping 147 yards receiving and a very average 4.5 yards per touch that year?

If anything, that shows just the opposite of him being an integral part of the offense. Yes, they paid him a high % of the cap, but it's hard to make the case that it was money spent wisely. Don't let the statistical reality stand in the way, though.

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[Virginia99]

You do realize Dillon had less than 51 yards per game, a whopping 147 yards receiving and a very average 4.5 yards per touch that year?

If anything, that shows just the opposite of him being an integral part of the offense. Yes, they paid him a high % of the cap, but it's hard to make the case that it was money spent wisely. Don't let the statistical reality stand in the way, though.

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One of the rare mistakes the Pats made for paying someone for what they did rather than what they are going to do. Dillon was prob the best back in 2004 with 1600 yards and 12 TDS and an SB champ to boot. 2004 may have been the best Pats team because of how balanced they were.

 

[TeeMoney]

It was a RB committee with Dillon as the high priced FA. They ran for nearly 2000 yards, 125 yards a game as a group (like miami has)

 

[GRYPHONK]

You do realize Dillon had less than 51 yards per game, a whopping 147 yards receiving and a very average 4.5 yards per touch that year?

If anything, that shows just the opposite of him being an integral part of the offense. Yes, they paid him a high % of the cap, but it's hard to make the case that it was money spent wisely. Don't let the statistical reality stand in the way, though.

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The statistical reality is in 2004, with NE, Dillon rushed for over 1600 yards.

In 2005 and 2006, yeah a little RBBC but he only started 10 and 13 games respectively for various reasons.

However, in 2005 and 2006 he had 12 TDS and 13 TDS respectively.

Not to bring up his nagging groin injury that also lessened his carry output

To try and claim he wasn't an integral part of their offense is simply not true

 

[DuderinoN703]

How many expensive running backs did Brady have in his 20 year run with NE? He had guys like White making around league minimum running the ball. He didn't have a Christan McCaffery size contract in the back field ever.

Didn’t need one since he was elite.

 

[MARINO1384]

Josh Jacobs just signed a 1 yr 12 MM contract.

That's the new floor.

That’s a great floor but it’s also a potential ceiling. First of all it’s lower then the reported 16 million he apparently wants and Jacob’s just lead the league in rushing. Second it’s a one year deal which is awful precedent. You offer JT 12 a year at a 4/5 year deal and it’s a lock, just depends if the colts budge.

 

[Kebo]

no freaking way I'm paying a RB 12mill a year

But you would give Tua almost 50 million?

 

[BennySwella]

We are in win now mode. Those worried about the cap in future years instead of going for it all right now are trying to create some kind of illusion of a dynasty where we win the superbowl every year or every other year... which is downright delusional and greedy when we havent even won a playoff game in 23 years.

 

[rickd13]

The way I look at this situation is as follows:

If we can pull JT from Indy for a 2nd and a 7th, great move. Pay him what he’s worth and we have a deadly offense in ‘23.

If we can’t get him for that. Move on. The time to have acquired JT was when we used the stupid ****ing pick on Iggy. That time is now gone.

Roll with what we have and let’s see how far we go.

They didn't use the pick on Igbinoghene instead of Taylor. They used the pick on Hunt in the second round over Taylor. It really irks me when people say this. It's a rewrite of history to fit their agenda.

 

[rickd13]

We used the pick on Hunt.

Thank you. It pisses me off when people keep saying that.

 

[Mach2]

The statistical reality is in 2004, with NE, Dillon rushed for over 1600 yards.

In 2005 and 2006, yeah a little RBBC but he only started 10 and 13 games respectively for various reasons.

However, in 2005 and 2006 he had 12 TDS and 13 TDS respectively.

Not to bring up his nagging groin injury that also lessened his carry output

To try and claim he wasn't an integral part of their offense is simply not true

But the discussion was about 2006. It was a rebuttal to the claim that 13.6% of their cap was well spent on Dillon that year. It wasn't, regardless of the fact that Dillon was a good back in 2004. In reality, his average per year on the second Putz contract was only 3.5m of which, basically only the signing bonus was guaranteed anyway. Using that as an example is apples and oranges because there's no way in hell Taylor is going to agree to a contract with such relatively low guarantees. IOW, the Putz weren't making anywhere near the long term investment/risk as the Dolphins would be making.

Now add to that he was released the very next year, and the fact that RBs were valued totally differently 20 years ago, do you really think it's all that relevant to the situation with the Phins today?

That's what really matters in this context, and IMO it is not.

 

[JamesWsenior]

But the discussion was about 2006. It was a rebuttal to the claim that 13.6% of their cap was well spent on Dillon that year. It wasn't, regardless of the fact that Dillon was a good back in 2004. In reality, his average per year on the second Putz contract was only 3.5m of which, basically only the signing bonus was guaranteed anyway. Using that as an example is apples and oranges.

Now add to that he was released the very next year, and the fact that RBs were valued totally differently 20 years ago, do you really think it's all that relevant to the situation with the Phins today?

That's what really matters in this context, and IMO it is not.

Man I don't know if I should be impressed or concerned you had this stored away in you head lol

 

[MARINO1384]

Still, Brady needed help and they went out and got it. And he was what? 27? 28? at that point?

How many examples of great RBs and great QBs playing together are there besides Lynch and Dillon where it’s viewed as anything but a positive?

How many 24 year old, 1800 yard backs have ever become available in history?

Wasn’t exactly 1800 but Jerome Bettis was traded when he was 24. He had 1400 yards in one of his first 3 years, went on for 6 straight 1k+ seasons and went down as one of the most dominant runners ever.

Again not as dominate Marshall Faulk was traded at 25 only had a 1300 yard campaign under his belt. Went on to post 3 straight 1300 yards and was part of one of the best offenses ever.

Coincidentally both of them went on to lead their new teams to super bowls.

If we are lowering our standard even lower than 1300 then we have Ricky who had 1275 prior to trade to Miami when he was 25, followed up with 1800 and 1300 yard seasons before the weed kicked him out, who knows what could of happened if it hadn’t.

Marshawn Lynch had 2 out of 3 year had over 1k traded at 24 went on same as first 2 to be one of the most dominate rushers ever helping his team to also win a Super Bowl.

 

[GRYPHONK]

But the discussion was about 2006. It was a rebuttal to the claim that 13.6% of their cap was well spent on Dillon that year. It wasn't, regardless of the fact that Dillon was a good back in 2004. In reality, his average per year on the second Putz contract was only 3.5m of which, basically only the signing bonus was guaranteed anyway. Using that as an example is apples and oranges.

Now add to that he was released the very next year, and the fact that RBs were valued totally differently 20 years ago, do you really think it's all that relevant to the situation with the Phins today?

That's what really matters in this context, and IMO it is not.

Me, personally no with regards to relevance.

But I am not the one making the claim.

I also believe it's irrelevant to look At team set ups over the years and try to correlate that into what wins Chamionships.

I can argue having 2 elite WRS doesn't win you a championship.
I can argue having a top o line doesn't win championships
I can argue you can win a SB with an average QB

The only thing we know that was consistent was having a top defense, HOF QB and a top O line created a dynasty in NE.

At the end of the day, the only thing I know for sure, is adding a player that makes the team better, or upgrading a position makes this team MORE likely to compete for a SB

Doesn't matter what position that is.

 

[Mach2]

Man I don't know if I should be impressed or concerned you had this stored away in you head lol

Not exactly. Anyone with an interwebz connection can easily look into the context of historical claims made if they care to.

I certainly didn't pull the stats off the top of my head, but I did remember the overall context of the situation quite differently, and was curious.