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Eleven catches on Monday night, a career high, and all anybody can talk about is the potential game-winner that got away.

Are we being too tough on Ted Ginn Jr., advertised as the Miami Dolphins' most dangerous receiver?

What Ginn has to say about all of that is written all over his body in permanent ink.

Across his stomach a tattoo reads "Only God Can Judge Me," an indication that talk-show chatter won't wear him down.

On the inside of his left wrist, too, is the numeral "9." That's a reflection of the overall draft position where Miami took him in 2007, investing first-round gold in a wide receiver with shocking speed but, thus far, only four touchdown receptions in 34 NFL games.

If anything, the Dolphins aren't being tough enough on Ginn, for he has yet to match the grit of Miami's other leaders, or the Pro Bowl status of five players who were drafted after him in 2007's first round.
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BAMAPHIN 22 said:
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11 catches but missed the game winner when it hit his fingers?! Are you kidding me? I rather have 1 reception for a TD and win a game than 11 and not do anything with it.

Most of those catches came in as down and out catches, nothing spectacular. Now, if you told me he came across the middle on a post or broke some tackles, that is a different story.

I am already preparing for a Ted Ginn bashing for next week. All I need is 1 more game where he messes up and I will start the thread.
 
I have come to the conclusion that even if Ginn caught the winning TD in the super bowl people would label him a bust because he was picked at 9th overall.
 
NY8123 said:
I have come to the conclusion that even if Ginn caught the winning TD in the super bowl people would label him a bust because he was picked at 9th overall.
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Ginn apologists are the only ones that carry the #9 label lately. Its funny how now that has become more of an excuse for Ginn rather than a reason he is a bust.

He isn't a #1 Wr.....doesn't matter where he was drafted. And any nfl WR should catch a ball that his his hands whether he's a #1, #2, #3 WR
 
JT99Dfense said:
11 catches but missed the game winner when it hit his fingers?! Are you kidding me? I rather have 1 reception for a TD and win a game than 11 and not do anything with it.

Most of those catches came in as down and out catches, nothing spectacular. Now, if you told me he came across the middle on a post or broke some tackles, that is a different story.

I am already preparing for a Ted Ginn bashing for next week. All I need is 1 more game where he messes up and I will start the thread.
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Do you not understand what is wrong with that statement? If he doesn't make those 11 catches then we are not in a position to try for a game winning pass.
 
NYinBostonFin said:
Ginn apologists are the only ones that carry the #9 label lately. Its funny how now that has become more of an excuse for Ginn rather than a reason he is a bust.

He isn't a #1 Wr.....doesn't matter where he was drafted. And any nfl WR should catch a ball that his his hands whether he's a #1, #2, #3 WR
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yes any WR can catch that ball... including Ted Ginn...

just like when Andre Johnson drops a pass, ANY WR can catch it, when TO drops a ball, ANY WR can catch it, when Larry Fitz drops a ball, ANY WR can catch it...

yes it happens, he dropped one, and it was an important one... but that doesn't all of a sudden mean he cant catch anything... he had a mixed bag day, he showed he can get open, he showed he can be clutch on big 3rd down catches to convert... but then he misjudged the sidelines on one throw, and DROPPED another...

yes he DROPPED it, every WR who has ever played the game has DROPPED a ball... that doesn't mean put in that same situation they can never catch it again, be serious
 
arsenal said:
yes any WR can catch that ball... including Ted Ginn...

just like when Andre Johnson drops a pass, ANY WR can catch it, when TO drops a ball, ANY WR can catch it, when Larry Fitz drops a ball, ANY WR can catch it...

yes it happens, he dropped one, and it was an important one... but that doesn't all of a sudden mean he cant catch anything... he had a mixed bag day, he showed he can get open, he showed he can be clutch on big 3rd down catches to convert... but then he misjudged the sidelines on one throw, and DROPPED another...

yes he DROPPED it, every WR who has ever played the game has DROPPED a ball... that doesn't mean put in that same situation they can never catch it again, be serious
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Missing out on 2 td passes is huge. Not all great WR's miss catches like that, esp in the same game. Most great WR's know where they are on the field too.
 
Ginn is not a bust, but he's not a #1 WR either, hopefully the coaching staff will address this issue in FA or next years draft.
 
yeah, he should have caught that pass, but he didn't, it happens, i'm sure you could ask the greatest receivers and they'll tell you of numerous drops they wish they could have back, its part of playing the position.

It shouldn't take away the fact that Ginn played a pretty good game up to that point, and made clutch catches on third down, lets hope he learns from it and continues to improve.
 
NYinBostonFin said:
Missing out on 2 td passes is huge. Not all great WR's miss catches like that, esp in the same game. Most great WR's know where they are on the field too.
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yes and so does Ted Ginn... again he had 2 bad plays, they happened to be in the same game... so the perception of them will drive people crazy... but in reality its 2 bad plays, thats it...

again EVERY RECEIVER EVER has dropped a ball... yes this was an important ball, yes it sucks... but again all in all its a dropped ball, and put in that situation again 9 times out of 10 he makes the catch... this doesnt mean he can never catch any passes again because he can and will...

just like when Larry Fitzgerald drops a pass, that doesn't mean he cant ever catch them again
 
arsenal said:
yes and so does Ted Ginn... again he had 2 bad plays, they happened to be in the same game... so the perception of them will drive people crazy... but in reality its 2 bad plays, thats it...

again EVERY RECEIVER EVER has dropped a ball... yes this was an important ball, yes it sucks... but again all in all its a dropped ball, and put in that situation again 9 times out of 10 he makes the catch... this doesnt mean he can never catch any passes again because he can and will...

just like when Larry Fitzgerald drops a pass, that doesn't mean he cant ever catch them again
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9 out of 10? He missed 2 td grabs that night, not one. How many td passes were thrown his way? Not 10....and he already missed 2. Yes, dropping td passes SHOULD drive anyone crazy.

How many TD grabs does he have for his career again?

Stop comparing him to Larry and Andre....its laughable.
 
I think we are all missing the point here. I mean Ginn was drafted as a kick returner NOT a wideout.....

Jeez we have him lined up at a position he wasn't even drafted for.....:rolleyes2:
 
NYinBostonFin said:
9 out of 10? He missed 2 td grabs that night, not one. How many td passes were thrown his way? Not 10....and he already missed 2. Yes, dropping td passes SHOULD drive anyone crazy.

How many TD grabs does he have for his career again?

Stop comparing him to Larry and Andre....its laughable.
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stop skewing what i say, when did i compare him to Larry or Andre??? are you reading my posts or someone elses???

i am very comfortable saying 9 times out of 10 with that pass in the endzone that he dropped, he'd catch it... you may not feel that way but I do, for his career he has shown good hands for us...

what does how many TD passes in his career have to do with a drop on Monday night? what does the total amount of TD passes thrown his way have to do with his drop on Monday night?

i am talking about the end of the game, ball in his hands, and he dropped it... the other one i'm not even talking about the throw he misjudged and possibly could have caught in bounds... im talking about a dropped pass, because thats all it was, a dropped pass...

has he caught harder to catch balls? Yes he has
should he have caught that one? absolutely
does this somehow mean he cant catch anything now? of course not

moral of the story is he dropped a ball, if were were up by 21 and he did it, no one would care, but the situation magnifies it... but if you just look at the play, he dropped a ball, and it sucks, but it happens... stop crying about it and move on already
 
arsenal said:
yes and so does Ted Ginn... again he had 2 bad plays, they happened to be in the same game... so the perception of them will drive people crazy... but in reality its 2 bad plays, thats it...

again EVERY RECEIVER EVER has dropped a ball... yes this was an important ball, yes it sucks... but again all in all its a dropped ball, and put in that situation again 9 times out of 10 he makes the catch... this doesnt mean he can never catch any passes again because he can and will...

just like when Larry Fitzgerald drops a pass, that doesn't mean he cant ever catch them again
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Does it matter what Fitzgerald or TO or Boldin does...or are we chatting about our player?

Did Ginn have a good game...YES....Did he miss two important passes...YES....Will he get better...perhaps...but that's the dig now isn't...he should have been better to begin with. Thru no fault of his, the Dolphins bought a player who wasn't worth a top pick...never played like he was worth a top pick while in college and since then we have had to mold him into one...hoping that he would be like a Fitzgerald or a TO.

As far as every receiver misses a catch...your correct...they do...but they also make the hard catches...not just the easy ones.
 
arsenal said:
stop skewing what i say, when did i compare him to Larry or Andre??? are you reading my posts or someone elses???

i am very comfortable saying 9 times out of 10 with that pass in the endzone that he dropped, he'd catch it... you may not feel that way but I do, for his career he has shown good hands for us...

what does how many TD passes in his career have to do with a drop on Monday night? what does the total amount of TD passes thrown his way have to do with his drop on Monday night?

i am talking about the end of the game, ball in his hands, and he dropped it... the other one i'm not even talking about the throw he misjudged and possibly could have caught in bounds... im talking about a dropped pass, because thats all it was, a dropped pass...

has he caught harder to catch balls? Yes he has
should he have caught that one? absolutely
does this somehow mean he cant catch anything now? of course not

moral of the story is he dropped a ball, if were were up by 21 and he did it, no one would care, but the situation magnifies it... but if you just look at the play, he dropped a ball, and it sucks, but it happens... stop crying about it and move on already
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You compared him to Andre and Larry when you say....they drop passes too. I read your posts...maybe you should reread.

He missed 2 TD passes Monday night....how many should he be allowed to miss? you also said he would catch 9 out of 10...well, he's already down 2....so there goes that....right now he's 0-2 in passes to the endzone on Monday nights. he needs to catch 18 in a row for him to make your standards. 18 td passes when he has how many? (thats why I brought up how many for his career).

The moral of the story is that Ginn isn't a #1 WR. Apologists like yourself would like to wait his whole career and hope he finally gets it. Not happening. Start looking elsewhere trifecta
 
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