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I keep reading articles about the Dolphins having an interest in Chris Simms.
Sims is a restricted free agent. My question is, if we were to sign Simms
to an offer sheet ( or anyother restricted free agent ) and Tampa
declines to match that offer, do we then have to forfeit our first and
third round picks as compensation?
 
NO.....Why in the world would we have to give up picks if he's a free agent?? You're thinking of compensation picks..Which the NFL grants to teams who've lost some players to free agency and werent' able to get some quality players in return. In that case the NFL is who gives those picks..Not the teams who stole their players.
 
He's a restricted FA, which means the Bucs have a right of first refusal. They have 7 days to respond to a contract offering. If they match it, he stays, if not he signs the contract with the new team. There is no compensation to them except for the compensatory picks that are awarded the following draft for lost players.
 
BringBackShula said:
NO.....Why in the world would we have to give up picks if he's a free agent?? You're thinking of compensation picks..Which the NFL grants to teams who've lost some players to free agency and werent' able to get some quality players in return. In that case the NFL is who gives those picks..Not the teams who stole their players.


There's different levels of Free Agency. Certain Restricted Free Agents come with compensation depending on if their team offers tenders to them. Remember the jests a few years back when they didn't offer L. Coles the full tender that would have fetched them a 1st & 3rd round picks?
 
The bucs have a choice as to what level they will tender him -
lowest tender: no compensation if they choose not to match
next: compensation of the round the player was drafted in
third: first round draft pick
fourth: first and third round pick

those are the different levels the bucs can tender him at and what we would have to give up if we signed him, and they didn't match.
 
If I'm not mistaken, the only way that a team would have to give up draft choices in exchange for getting a free agent is if that player has a tag placed on him. I think a franchise tag on a player would mean that any team signing him has to give up a first round pick to get him. Then there's the transitional tag which I think entails giving up a lower round pick.

I don't think I've ever seen a tag placed on a restricted free agent because the team has right of first refusal...in other words, if they match the offer placed on the table by another team, they retain his rights. If they let him go...they get nothing. They may however, be awarded compensatory picks by the NFL for losing a free agent.
 
Except no-one here was right I dont think

A restricted free agent can be signed by any team FOR A PRICE

The buc's get to make the first offer and there are 4 monetary offers you can make off the bat

1- The highest- 1st and 3rd pick

2- Second highest- 3rd round pick

3- third highest- you get a pick equal to the round the guy was drafted in

4- fourth highest- you get nothing I believe

I may be off somwhat on this but i think i was the closest here
 
Here's something I pulled from the following web page: Free Agency Rules


Free Agency in the NFL


Free agency explained | Free agent/draft links
Raiders free agents | 2004 Raiders draft picks



Free agency refers to a player's right to negotiate a playing contract with any team he chooses. This is in contrast to the normal NFL rule that a player's team owns all rights to contract with that player to play in the NFL.

A player's right to free agency depends in general on how many years he has played in the NFL1, as follows:

0-2 years Not eligible for free agencyâ€â€termed an "exclusive rights free agent" (must accept what the "owning" club offers or not play in the NFL at all
3 years Restricted free agent
4 or more years Unrestricted free agent



Unrestricted free agents can negotiate with any other team without limitation.

A few players, designated unrestricted-first refusal, who would otherwise be unrestricted free agents, have negotiated rights of first refusal with their old clubs on an individual basis. In such an instance the player's old club has a contractual right to match any offer from a new team (within a specific period of time, generally a few days) and thus retain the player under contract.

Restricted free agents can negotiate with any other team, but their current teams retain a right to match any other team's offer within 7 days, in which case they must remain with their current team. If the current team refuses to match an offer, the league can determine appropriate compensation from the new team in the form of draft picks.

There are several special categories of players whose movements are limited:

Each team can designate one of its playersâ€â€who would otherwise be an unrestricted free agentâ€â€as a franchise (or a transition) player. The club must automatically offer the player a one-year contract averaging the five highest prior year salaries at his position. The player can entertain offers from other teams, but his team retains a right of first refusal. If the player's current team refuses to match an offer, the new team must give up two first-round draft picks as compensation.

The year 2005 deadline for such designations is February 22. See the NFL calendar on this site.

An exclusive franchise player may not negotiate with other clubs. The exclusive designation requires an offer for the average of the highest 5 salaries for the position as of the end of the signing period for restricted free agents (which for 2005 is April 15), or 120% of the player's last year's salary, whichever is higher.

Each team is permitted to designate one of its players as a transition player. Note that these need not be unrestricted free agents. The player's team must offer a transitional player a salary at least equal to the average of the top 10 NFL players at his position (prior year's salaries) or a 20% raise, whichever is greater. He can negotiate with other teams, but his current team retains the right to match any offer. If he is also restricted, and his current team refuses to match an offer, the league can order compensation.

All players not falling into one of the above categories, as well as those who are not tendered an offer by their current teams, are free to sign with any club without their current team receiving compensation.

More on franchise and transitional designations can be found here.

Time frame of free agency for 2005: For restricted free agents, from March 2 to April 15; for unrestricted free agents and transition players, from March 3 to July 22 (or the first scheduled day of the first NFL training camp, whichever is later); and for franchise players, from March 2 through the 10th week of the season (November 13).

Sources: National Football League, ESPN.com, NFL.com

* * * * *
NOTES:
1. The contract under which athletes play in the NFL (the "Collective Bargaining Agreement" or "CBA") actually defines years of experience using the term "accrued seasons of service," with somewhat arcane rules for defining what constitutes enough roster time in any given year to constitute an accrued season. Accrued seasons are also important for purposes of determining which players are eligible for a team's practice squad.



Last updated Monday, February 21, 2005
 
Rick...nice answer, but your article doesn't address RFA, which was the original question...

Is there any compensation for a team that loses a RFA ??
 
LarryFinFan said:
Rick...nice answer, but your article doesn't address RFA, which was the original question...

Is there any compensation for a team that loses a RFA ??

yes, the dolphins would owe tampa a draft pick (or picks) as compensation if they signed simms.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Rick...nice answer, but your article doesn't address RFA, which was the original question...

Is there any compensation for a team that loses a RFA ??


Although a bit vague:

Restricted free agents can negotiate with any other team, but their current teams retain a right to match any other team's offer within 7 days, in which case they must remain with their current team. If the current team refuses to match an offer, the league can determine appropriate compensation from the new team in the form of draft picks.
 
trainwreck said:
I keep reading articles about the Dolphins having an interest in Chris Simms.
Sims is a restricted free agent. My question is, if we were to sign Simms
to an offer sheet ( or anyother restricted free agent ) and Tampa
declines to match that offer, do we then have to forfeit our first and
third round picks as compensation?
WHAAAA??????
 
The bucs have a choice as to what level they will tender him -
lowest tender: no compensation if they choose not to match
next: compensation of the round the player was drafted in
third: first round draft pick
fourth: first and third round pick

those are the different levels the bucs can tender him at and what we would have to give up if we signed him, and they didn't match.

:yes: Dolphins17-0 is the only one who got it right.


Rick...nice answer, but your article doesn't address RFA, which was the original question...

Is there any compensation for a team that loses a RFA ??

You're getting "compensation picks" & compensation for losing a RFA confused. Compensation picks are awarded to teams by the NFL who lost more UFAs the year before than they signed. Those picks are wedged in between the rounds starting with the 3rd & 4th. The compensation a team gets for losing a RFA comes from the team that signed him.
 
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