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Concerns Over Youth & Chjanges?

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We have 11 rookies on our roster, 9 FA's, and another 7 second year guys who did not play much. Add in Jordan and IR if you like. That's one hell of a lot of youth and changes without adding in the coaching changes with a new O.

What is your level of concern this year?
 
The team and the depth behind the starters is better than we've had in ages. I don't know how many of those new guys will dress on game day. Lazer and Hickey make a huge difference. I'm excited and not concerned. We're a good team and we're in good hands.
 
Talent beats experience 100 percent of the time over time.

Give up roster spots to low-ceiling mediocre players simply because they have experience or *consistency* and you build an 8-8 median team over time.

This is the most talent team-wise that Miami has had in a long time -- and still some vastly mediocre holdovers at key positions simply because too many holes.

LD
 
Ireland is gone so we have a CHANCE to not go 7-9 or 8-8 so I'm excited. History has shown us that with Ireland, flying solo, there was no chance of that. To me Hickey was better as soon as he walked in the building because of this. Now lets see if Hickey's roster churning costs us GAMES do to shoddy ST play. I always loved that about Ireland.
 
Sure there is concern but it had to be done. Sometimes you can't sweep any more dirt under the rug.
 
I have no problem at all with what the team has done but, have to question how well everything will work out this year. It was not like a team who has to win this year to save Philbin's job. It was more about building a very sound foundation for the future.
 
A lot of those rookies probably won't see much playing time this year. I don't mind the youth movement as I think we have been provided a better roster by Hickey. It's all on the coaches to get those improvements out of the players and the win column. So glad real football is back, Go Fins!!!
 
there is still a good chance we bring in other teams cut players as well
this is no doubt a different team with Hickey running the show.looks like dead weight is out the door Asap n that is a good thing i believe
 
Lack of great players is the concern. Until that changes I can't get too excited about anything. I admire the fans who somehow maintain the same interest level year after year. I guess I was spoiled as a kid when Warfield, Csonka, Griese, Stanfill, Anderson, etc. were givens, and so many others of identical caliber or very close.

Overall the roster is deeper with fewer holes. But there's nothing more fragile or irrelevant than parity. That's all we've managed, to get the lower levels of our roster closer in caliber to the top teams. Until our top guys match the stars on the elite teams there's simply not much there.

I don't mean to be cruel about it but I've sat through those oddsmaker meeting countless times and looked at all the related probability charts. Nobody cares about depth or mediocrity. The odds simply don't move in your favor if you strengthen the midsection. That's the point I've tried to make on golf forums for years, to considerable opposition. One Rory McIlroy is worth more to an era than dozens of additional third tier types. The single most meaningful variable in any team or individual sport is the number of freak entrants -- if any -- at a given point in time. Slowly it's gained acceptance on those forums. Until the Dolphins find a stable of Pro Bowl and Hall of Fame types the upside is severely limited.
 
Lack of great players is the concern. Until that changes I can't get too excited about anything. I admire the fans who somehow maintain the same interest level year after year. I guess I was spoiled as a kid when Warfield, Csonka, Griese, Stanfill, Anderson, etc. were givens, and so many others of identical caliber or very close.

Overall the roster is deeper with fewer holes. But there's nothing more fragile or irrelevant than parity. That's all we've managed, to get the lower levels of our roster closer in caliber to the top teams. Until our top guys match the stars on the elite teams there's simply not much there.

I don't mean to be cruel about it but I've sat through those oddsmaker meeting countless times and looked at all the related probability charts. Nobody cares about depth or mediocrity. The odds simply don't move in your favor if you strengthen the midsection. That's the point I've tried to make on golf forums for years, to considerable opposition. One Rory McIlroy is worth more to an era than dozens of additional third tier types. The single most meaningful variable in any team or individual sport is the number of freak entrants -- if any -- at a given point in time. Slowly it's gained acceptance on those forums. Until the Dolphins find a stable of Pro Bowl and Hall of Fame types the upside is severely limited.

Thanks could you explain that bolded statement further. I think I follow and I'm in agreement with your ideas. The play makers, or top of the roster is most important that they are more talented than the opposition.
 
I have no problem at all with what the team has done but, have to question how well everything will work out this year. It was not like a team who has to win this year to save Philbin's job. It was more about building a very sound foundation for the future.

I'd much rather see a solid foundation for the future than overpriced Band-Aid BS "fixes" that don't work, and cost heavily for a year or two, leaving us worse off than before (see Ireland). I think Hickey has managed to do this w/o sacrificing our ability to win games.

The new kids aren't going to be the mitigating factor anyway...it will be this offensive system. If Tannehill can manage to not keep blowing decisions (like he did in the past few pre-season games he played), the team will flourish. He has the arm in spades...has the accuracy plenty...but this is a brand new system to not only him, but EVERY other player/coach on the team. The only people with experience in this system are playing in Pennsylvania. I think he has gained a grasp of the overall base system, but some of the intricacies are confusing him. I'm a massive Tannehill supporter, but I fully realize he seems to be having trouble with some aspects of the new system, and that's my only worry going into the season. Maybe it takes him into half the season to really get it wired...maybe he never gets it...we'll know soon enough...he's a smart enough guy, I'm counting on him to get it together.

If he keeps making the same poor decisions (a few against TB, several against Dallas), we don't have a PRAYER against N.E., Buffalo or KC. We'll see...it's a new world for all of us this season.
 
Overall the roster is deeper with fewer holes. But there's nothing more fragile or irrelevant than parity. That's all we've managed, to get the lower levels of our roster closer in caliber to the top teams. Until our top guys match the stars on the elite teams there's simply not much there.

You hit the nail exactly on the head.
 
Lack of great players is the concern. Until that changes I can't get too excited about anything. I admire the fans who somehow maintain the same interest level year after year. I guess I was spoiled as a kid when Warfield, Csonka, Griese, Stanfill, Anderson, etc. were givens, and so many others of identical caliber or very close.

Overall the roster is deeper with fewer holes. But there's nothing more fragile or irrelevant than parity. That's all we've managed, to get the lower levels of our roster closer in caliber to the top teams. Until our top guys match the stars on the elite teams there's simply not much there.

I don't mean to be cruel about it but I've sat through those oddsmaker meeting countless times and looked at all the related probability charts. Nobody cares about depth or mediocrity. The odds simply don't move in your favor if you strengthen the midsection. That's the point I've tried to make on golf forums for years, to considerable opposition. One Rory McIlroy is worth more to an era than dozens of additional third tier types. The single most meaningful variable in any team or individual sport is the number of freak entrants -- if any -- at a given point in time. Slowly it's gained acceptance on those forums. Until the Dolphins find a stable of Pro Bowl and Hall of Fame types the upside is severely limited.

Agreed. If you look at things realistically, we have playmakers in aging vets Wake and Grimes. That's about it.
 
Talent beats experience 100 percent of the time over time.

Give up roster spots to low-ceiling mediocre players simply because they have experience or *consistency* and you build an 8-8 median team over time.

This is the most talent team-wise that Miami has had in a long time -- and still some vastly mediocre holdovers at key positions simply because too many holes.

LD
Amen! The younger guys are always hungrier than the older guys!
 
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