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Connor Halliday Washington St.

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Would love to see us pick him up in the later rounds. I have a feeling he could be the next Tom Brady.

STRENGTHS: Good frame for a drop-back passer with plenty of arm strength and while he isn't particularly elusive, he does have decent speed for his size. He typically throws in-breaking routes like slants and posts well, showing zip and good placement. At times shows very good accuracy on both intermediate and deep out-breaking routes, consistently throwing before his receivers turn. Deft touch on verticals down the sideline and when dropping passes over the defenders with their backs turned to him. Highly confident passer who performed well against top competition - including beating All-American cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu for three touchdowns in a surprisingly tight game against Oregon (38-31).
 
I like Conner, listed at 6'3 200 pounds, and think he worth a shot. However, seeing that Miami doesn't have a 7th round pick and that he might not be worth a 6th round selection Miami would either add a pick through a trade or hope he becomes an undrafted free agent.
 
Would love to see us pick him up in the later rounds. I have a feeling he could be the next Tom Brady.

STRENGTHS: Good frame for a drop-back passer with plenty of arm strength and while he isn't particularly elusive, he does have decent speed for his size. He typically throws in-breaking routes like slants and posts well, showing zip and good placement. At times shows very good accuracy on both intermediate and deep out-breaking routes, consistently throwing before his receivers turn. Deft touch on verticals down the sideline and when dropping passes over the defenders with their backs turned to him. Highly confident passer who performed well against top competition - including beating All-American cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu for three touchdowns in a surprisingly tight game against Oregon (38-31).

I think Halliday ran Mike Leach's system, like when Leach was at Texas Tech. They had a lot of QB's put up big numbers, like Kliff Kingsbury, but none of them made it to the NFL,,,just like Timmy Chang when he was at Hawaii. These guys often don't have the NFL frame. But if we recoup a 7th rounder, maybe..or just take a UDFA.
 
I feel very confident saying there will never be another Tom Brady. He was a once-in-infinity 6th round pick at quarterback.
 
Connor Halliday is the opposite of some of those previous Mike Leach quarterbacks. He'd be a better prospect for the NFL Draft if he'd never met Mike Leach.

Halliday broke onto the scene in a huge way playing in Paul Wulff's system. Wulff later went on to be a high ranking offensive consultant for Jim Harbaugh's 49ers, then Harbaugh placed him on his best friend Willie Taggart's staff at South Florida to be the offensive coordinator of a pro style offense. Willie recently fired him and is installing a college spread.

Back in 2011, Halliday was just a freshman. He got some time at the beginning of the year against Idaho State and UNLV, was 11 of 19 for 177 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT. But then he got tossed to the wolves against Arizona State when Marshall Lobbestael got hurt. So in comes this freshman against what was at the time one of the best defenses in the country and he goes 27 of 36 for 494 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs. And remember this was not Mike Leach's offense back then. This is Paul Wulff who has been in the NFL, runs NFL style offense. And if you watch that game it's not just making throws, it's how Halliday handled pressure and executed. Just so impressive.

The following week he played against Utah and had a very freshman game. He threw two impressive TDs but he also threw 4 picks. As I recall, I know because I looked at his work back then even when he was just a freshman, a couple of the picks weren't necessarily his fault. Either way what he did in that game that was so impressive was he went out and played in a BLIZZARD as a freshman, and right at the beginning of the 2nd half he takes an absolutely vicious hit right to the mid-section as he's delivering the football, and this hit lacerated his liver. Very serious injury and he could have died if they hadn't discovered it in time. So he played the rest of that half and overtime in a blizzard quite literally dying, and what does he do? He leads a 4th quarter comeback from behind 17-27 to bring the game into overtime. But in the overtime segment after the break the kid LOOKED like he was dying. He was struggling. Rushed to the hospital after the game. Injury really impacted his ability to battle Jeff Tuel and learn Leach's offense in 2012.

So this is what he was as a freshman before he ever met Mike Leach, playing in Wulff's offense...59 of 103 for 961 yards, 9 TD and 4 INT, dicing up top defenses, dealing with pressure and making throws anyway, keeping his team in games during blizzard conditions while literally dying.

But then Mike Leach shows up, installs his system for which Halliday was never really an ideal fit, and suddenly Halliday is just another Leach quarterback. That and the way his 2014 season ended, tough breaks for the kid. I like that he was so angry after he hurt his leg. I like that he was venting about how he's worked his whole life for one goal to get into the NFL and he's just shy of that goal and it all goes up in smoke. This is what Connor Halliday wants, being an NFL quarterback. He's certainly not backward looking to his glory days with Mike Leach in that poorly coached system on a poorly coached team that accomplished virtually nothing despite Halliday's statistics and performance.

I think Dennis Hickey will be reminded of Mike Glennon, and I think he's secretly projecting what Halliday would have been had he never met Mike Leach.
 
I feel very confident saying there will never be another Tom Brady. He was a once-in-infinity 6th round pick at quarterback.

I do not feel confident in that at all.

The QB position in the NFL is in a constant state of flux and evaluators are often slow to recognize and adapt to those changes. Look at Russell Wilson. He ended up going 3rd round but not long before that you had people talking about him being taken in the 5th to 7th rounds. You had at least one prominent evaluator in this forum saying no thanks to Russell Wilson in any round. If Seattle had not taken Wilson, he drops to the 4th round...is that all the sudden so very different from Brady's falling to the 6th round?

Basically if you're going to be confident that another Tom Brady doesn't happen you have to be confident the NFL are getting it right at that position. But that's just not the case. You can talk about Tom Brady but look at Kurt Warner, happened around the same time. Dude was on the Iowa Barnstormers for cryin out loud.

Note, I am not saying Connor Halliday is another Tom Brady. Far from it.
 
Incidentally Miami have spoken to Connor Halliday multiple times. They're very interested. They're looking to get cheaper at the backup QB spot behind Tannehill. Being in a position to mentor a younger player would also be a growth experience for Tannehill himself.
 
I have no way of being sure that Halliday is EXACTLY the kind of raw prospect Bill Lazor would like to coach up, but every bit of my gut says it's true. Leach's horrible system aside, he has awful footwork and - maybe also partly due his small hands - his share of erratic throws that come out pretty ugly. I firmly believe most of his inaccuracy is down to bad footwork.

I think he could be an NFL QB with work and coaching. His strengths play well to Lazor's offense also - processes the field very quickly, keep the play alive with decent footwork/awareness and puts players into space with his throws. He doesn't have a huge arm but it isn't bad and his throwing motion is very quick and compact.
 
i mentioned this kid before and somebody said he's got really small hands for a qb

looks like a worthy developmental guy to me
 
i mentioned this kid before and somebody said he's got really small hands for a qb

wasn't really paying attention enough of qbs to even check

I hate the small hands crap, I believe Marino had relatively small hands...who cares
 
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