Contradictions

[Ekinger]

The latest article by Armando is a good and full of Saban bites.

Here's what's particularly upsetting to me. In the same article, presumably said within a short period of time Saban says:

''I think every time you have changes in leadership positions, which we had a significant amount of, it takes time for people to get used to how you're doing things, whether it's offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, people in personnel,'' Saban said. ``Everybody has to be able to get on the same page so you can work together.
``I'm pleased with the progress that we're making in that area, but you still have to do it. You have to go through a procedure and a process to do that.''

They've gotten far worse with the changes, not better. What's he pleased about?

Then later he redeems himself a little and says this:

``I think the coaches have worked hard and put a lot of time in. I think sometimes you need to take a breath no matter what the circumstances are. For our fans and the organization, I'd like to stay here and do something for 24 hours a day to try to get it right, but I'm not sure that that's necessarily going to solve the problem either.''

Which is it coach? You can't be pleased with your new people if you feel that you've let the fans and organization down and need to spend 24 hours a day on off days figuring it out.

This is what confuses me and if it confuses me, it has to confuse the team. He's a contradiction. I think he's conflicted himself. He better straighten it out or won't matter what sort of talent we bring in during the offseason.

 

[Dolfan4life!]

Where's the contradiction? He says there will be growing pains (which obviously there are). He then states he is pleased with the progress but their not there yet. Putting in 24 hours a day won't get the team where they need to be any faster. He never said he was pleased that the team is where it is at currently, just pleased with the progress that their making. (I guess he sees the progress, because from the fan's perspective, the progress isn't readily apparent).

 

[SCall13]

Saban's problem is, he tries so hard to not say anything to the media then ends up saying too much. Quite honestly, I've grown tired of it. His arrogance with the media is unmerited. He needs to be successful before he can start acting the way he does.

Back to the contradiction: He's going to say what he thinks people want to hear. I doubt he truly feels about the situations the same as he TALKS about the situations. I think this is one of his biggest problems. He comes of as condecsending to the media and I would imagine he comes off that way with alot of the players. His psychological outlook on everything is tired. It doesn't take long for that to wear on the players. He needs to be straight up with everyone and quit walking on eggshells all the time when it comes to openly criticizing the players and coaches. They need to be called out. This team, from top to bottom, is performing poorly. The problem with the players on this team, is that for their entire career, they've been coddled by the coaches. It may piss them off, but they need to be called out. SO what?! Being a coach is not a popularity contest. It's a RESULTS contest.

OK, so I went off topic somewhat. But I had to rant a little.

 

[PhinsRock]

Saban is going to tell the media what he wants them to hear, then go do what he needs to do to turn this ship around. I still trust in Saban, just not so keen on Boolarky.

 

[thedayafter]

The latest article by Armando is a good and full of Saban bites.

Here's what's particularly upsetting to me. In the same article, presumably said within a short period of time Saban says:

''I think every time you have changes in leadership positions, which we had a significant amount of, it takes time for people to get used to how you're doing things, whether it's offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, people in personnel,'' Saban said. ``Everybody has to be able to get on the same page so you can work together.
``I'm pleased with the progress that we're making in that area, but you still have to do it. You have to go through a procedure and a process to do that.''

They've gotten far worse with the changes, not better. What's he pleased about?

Then later he redeems himself a little and says this:

``I think the coaches have worked hard and put a lot of time in. I think sometimes you need to take a breath no matter what the circumstances are. For our fans and the organization, I'd like to stay here and do something for 24 hours a day to try to get it right, but I'm not sure that that's necessarily going to solve the problem either.''

Which is it coach? You can't be pleased with your new people if you feel that you've let the fans and organization down and need to spend 24 hours a day on off days figuring it out.

This is what confuses me and if it confuses me, it has to confuse the team. He's a contradiction. I think he's conflicted himself. He better straighten it out or won't matter what sort of talent we bring in during the offseason.

The top half of the article are quotes from Saban... the bottom quote about 24hrs a day is from Zach.... please look at it again... take a step back and assess before posting incorrect material...

 

[Ekinger]

First of all the contradiction is obvious to anyone that isn't in love with the guy. He says he's happy with the progress. All that's happened with this team is that it's regressed. So I don't understand that line to begin with.

He then suggests that he knows things are terrible by stating that maybe being there 24 hours a day might give the fans and his organization some hope. You can't feel that things are progressing and know that the organization aren't seeing it.

Furthermore, I don't know what article you read, but it most absolutely 100% isn't a statement from Zach Thomas and it is from Saban. Even if there were know quotes, simply by the verbage and the sentences it isn't something Zach Thomas would say.

 

[Redneck Friend]

This is what confuses me and if it confuses me, it has to confuse the team. He's a contradiction. I think he's conflicted himself. He better straighten it out or won't matter what sort of talent we bring in during the offseason.

BINGO!!! once again, our good friend EKINGER gets it right!!

if this team doesnt learn how to draft, we are doomed anyways.
it wont matter.

but, saban IS confused and conflicted and contradictive. HE is
the reason we are 1-6. and that will NOT change.

it has already had an ADVERSE reaction on the team.

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[Dolfan4life!]

First of all the contradiction is obvious to anyone that isn't in love with the guy. He says he's happy with the progress. All that's happened with this team is that it's regressed. So I don't understand that line to begin with.

He then suggests that he knows things are terrible by stating that maybe being there 24 hours a day might give the fans and his organization some hope. You can't feel that things are progressing and know that the organization aren't seeing it.

Furthermore, I don't know what article you read, but it most absolutely 100% isn't a statement from Zach Thomas and it is from Saban. Even if there were know quotes, simply by the verbage and the sentences it isn't something Zach Thomas would say.

IMO, your inability to comprehend what you are reading is what is obvious to the people that have replied to this thread. Reading is fundamental.

 

[malzj]

I think Saban said it too. But he than says he doesn't feel that staying up for 24 hours would help either.

Before people start crying for a new coach we need to give this guy a chance. Injuries have hit us everywhere. During FA and the draft, you cannot predict who's going to go down through the course of the season.

I don't care what he says to the media. If it was his choice, he wouldn't say anything at all. He goes up there to please everyone. He doesn't call anyone out publicly because no good can come from that. That is NOT what men do. When you have an issue with someone you take them to the side and talk about it man to man. You do not call them out and then have them hear or read about it in the news. Saban is about the TEAM first, he doesn't care what people say about him, those players are like his kids.

 

[PerfectFinz72]

Saban's problem is, he tries so hard to not say anything to the media then ends up saying too much. Quite honestly, I've grown tired of it. His arrogance with the media is unmerited. He needs to be successful before he can start acting the way he does.

Back to the contradiction: He's going to say what he thinks people want to hear. I doubt he truly feels about the situations the same as he TALKS about the situations. I think this is one of his biggest problems. He comes of as condecsending to the media and I would imagine he comes off that way with alot of the players. His psychological outlook on everything is tired. It doesn't take long for that to wear on the players. He needs to be straight up with everyone and quit walking on eggshells all the time when it comes to openly criticizing the players and coaches. They need to be called out. This team, from top to bottom, is performing poorly. The problem with the players on this team, is that for their entire career, they've been coddled by the coaches. It may piss them off, but they need to be called out. SO what?! Being a coach is not a popularity contest. It's a RESULTS contest.

OK, so I went off topic somewhat. But I had to rant a little.

To keep going on your rant....you know what drives me nuts about Saban, his press conferences. I mean, you listen to the whole conference and then at the end you kinda shrug your shoulders and say...."what?" Like seriously, what did he just say. He really doesnt say anything if you think about it. Thats what frustrates me. It kinda goes like this:


If the players aren't good, thats not good. And we wanna do everything we can to get the players good. But the players still aren't good. Which means I'm not good enough. And we're gonna keep workin at it until the players get good enough because I'll be good enough to be good enough to make them good enough.


Obviosuly not exactly what he says, but I think you get my point. His pressers confuse the hell out of me sometimes cause it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Ekinger]

There is a huge difference between calling people out and holding them accountible. There is a huge difference between seeing the positives and there not being any positives. There is a huge difference between progressing and regressing.

What Saban says to the media is important. It's a motivator and it lets the public know what he's thinking. These guys are all paid to be in the public eye. They are paid millions of dollars to be in the public eye. If they don't do their job, it's the coaches job to recognize that and let the public (who ultimately pay the salaries) know that they recognize it and are going to do something about it.

Sometimes I wish they'd single guys out, but I know that would be counterproductive. Calling certain aspects of the team out as a whole would hurt no one, let those know that aren't performing they are on a short leash and let the public know that they at least recognize there is a problem.

Saying in one breath that they are happy with nonexistant progress and then following it with a comment about understanding that they've been so bad that they feel like they should stay 24 hours a day to make it better shows a massive disconnect. If it's all talk fine. But he's paid to talk and it's about damn time he shoots straight and pulls no punches.

I don't want him out. He was a successful college coach, whether that translates into a successful pro career has yet to be determined. His refusal to call a spade a spade and take responsibility for the situation bothers me a lot at this point in the game. Maybe he does feel responsible, but he can't keep talking the way he is and expect anyone to understand that.