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One of my friends just happens to be a Patriots fan, born and raised in Boston. A great guy, very knowledgeable and someone who tells it like it is.

We don't often talk football, but talk a lot about baseball. He is excited about the Red Sox minor league system and believes there could be a dynasty brewing in baseball for Boston...can't disagree, although not sure about elite pitching there.

But back to football. I brought up the conversation on this board about how many titles Dan Marino would have won with the 49ers. His opinion was interesting, saying about 5. His thoughts were that Marino would have easily adjusted to a West Coast style with Bill Walsh opening up some longer patterns within that system. He thought Marino would "learn to be more patient" with a great defense backing him up and could "bring that offense to a new level."

He also said that Walsh would have made Marino better, working specifically on his hand offs and play-action ability which he correctly sited as a weakness.

As expected, he also thought that Tom Brady is "hands down" the best quarterback of all-time. His reasoning here is pretty sound. Unlike Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman, Brady didn't have that kind of talent around him. He also had to deal with yearly turnover of talent, specifically at the wide receiver position.
 
Shocking that a patriot fan thinks Brady is the greatest of all time.
 
dolphindan said:
Shocking that a patriot fan thinks Brady is the greatest of all time.
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Ya, seemed reasonable until that point. That Patriot defense through the years has done alot for Brady and that team (unlike the Marino ones) BB has got them to play well through the years even with the chaning of players.

With the changing of rules favoring the offense its hard to make definitive conclusions as well, all that being said Brady of course has has alot to do with their success.
 
So is the flip side of the question "how many Super Bowls would Shula have won with Montana and Young?" Not saying Miami didn't win because of Marino, it's just sometimes fate takes you in an unexpected direction.
 
Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman also never cheated. Or at least never got caught. So yeah. Brady has an asterisk next his name in my opinion.
 
Also Marino's play action didn't work because he had no run game. This "friend" seems to blow a lot of smoke. I can understand why you guys don't talk football, this guy would annoy the hell out of me
 
I'd put Brady in top 2/3 no questions asked. Garbage at receiver every year. Great QB.
 
Atila said:
I'd put Brady in top 2/3 no questions asked. Garbage at receiver every year. Great QB.
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This year is going to be different though, because he's going to have a lot of weapons. We just have to hold out hope that he regresses, which i highly doubt!
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
One of my friends just happens to be a Patriots fan, born and raised in Boston. A great guy, very knowledgeable and someone who tells it like it is.

We don't often talk football, but talk a lot about baseball. He is excited about the Red Sox minor league system and believes there could be a dynasty brewing in baseball for Boston...can't disagree, although not sure about elite pitching there.

But back to football. I brought up the conversation on this board about how many titles Dan Marino would have won with the 49ers. His opinion was interesting, saying about 5. His thoughts were that Marino would have easily adjusted to a West Coast style with Bill Walsh opening up some longer patterns within that system. He thought Marino would "learn to be more patient" with a great defense backing him up and could "bring that offense to a new level."

He also said that Walsh would have made Marino better, working specifically on his hand offs and play-action ability which he correctly sited as a weakness.

As expected, he also thought that Tom Brady is "hands down" the best quarterback of all-time. His reasoning here is pretty sound. Unlike Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman, Brady didn't have that kind of talent around him. He also had to deal with yearly turnover of talent, specifically at the wide receiver position.
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Tom Brady is the best QB of his era. It's an insult to all the great QBs of the past to say he is the best ever. He never played in the pre Mel Blount rule era. He never played before the rules were altered to increase scoring.
He never played in an era where QB's weren't overly protected.
Could he have played into his late 30s getting hammered like the QBs in the 60s, 70's and 80's. Could Welker, Edelman been as effective had they played against physical bump and run coverage 5yds beyond the line of scrimmage?
I don't believe so.
 
I agree with that assesment^ and I think that's a fair way to judge any player in any sport - best of their respective era. Tom Brady is the best of the current era and it's not even that close.
 
there is absolutely no question Dan would have won a crap ton of titles with the niners. Tom had something Dan never did and that was a defense and running game. Dan on all of the pats teams would be undefeated in the super bowls imo

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Atila said:
I agree with that assesment^ and I think that's a fair way to judge any player in any sport - best of their respective era. Tom Brady is the best of the current era and it's not even that close.
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i still put peyton over him. but its close. peyton didnt have a great d until this last year. he has had a decent d twice.
 
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