convince me we're not a contender...from the aqua colored glasses.... | Page 2 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

convince me we're not a contender...from the aqua colored glasses....

umpalu said:
You typed an awful lot for it to be easy for me to say we are not contendors this year. Would love for a 49ers turn around, but I don't see it this year. I 100% believe we are headed in the right direction though.
Click to expand...


But why?? Why are we not contenders in your opinion?? You just got a feeling?? And I agree, I feel we are headed in the right direction also. But then again I thougnht the same thing after the 08 season. There is a lot I like about Philbin but there are some things I don't like already also.
 
I won't believe the Dolphins are contenders until they show us they are. Every year we have a few threads here that are all positive. There's nothing wrong with it but the Dolphins continually let us down each year which negates the very existence of these threads.
 
crumpdaddy said:
fellow fins i always wear the aqua colored glasses and have the homerism. i see potential in the season despite alot saying we're not in contention and we shouldnt be signing older players and develop the younger guys for 1-2 years down the road...

Convince me and the other homers that we're not a contender this year...

i think starting QB will be between garrard and moore (if tannehill wins it more power to him, cant wait to see the kid play) garrard is only a missed season away from playoff calibar QB'ing and Moore has proven he can win in the league. Garrard didnt have recievers and even though i pull for carolina cause they are home team (not my team but home team so i pull for them to win) Moore has steve smith who can ruin a qb's confidence. he doesnt have the rep but yes he does, he treated moore and clausen horrible

RB....Bush has the superbowl veternship, slaton is a good blocker when healthy and not a horrible runner, DT showed promised and miller was a BPA luxury pick, and teams dont take luxury picks when they are preparing for the future...even if they were preparing for miller to be out younger cheaper bush.....not a bad plan

at TE fasano is NOT a bad TE, not everyone can have gronkowski, but fasano is in the top 3rd of league as starting TE's i feel, CLay will fit in perfectly and hopefully Egnew can be a hernadez type TE. Without recievers with breakaway speed i see us in some 3 TE sets near the goaline and im hoping those 3 can work out

WR....well we know we are near bottom of league. Most teams in league would have bess and hartline has 3's MAYBE a 2. but the thing is, 2's and 3's get single coverage. these guys have proven they can get open in single coverage. maybe not the long ball but WCO is about possession then trying to make something happen. Hartline couldnt make anything happen cause it seemed like most his catches he was having to hit the ground or tiptoeing sideline. Bess was all about the middle. it'd be nice if ocho could at least chip in about 40 receptions but noone is holding breath for that. if at least one reciever can show he can contribute about 40 recepetions during preseason i think even though not great we'll be fine at reciever

OL....Colombo is gone...sweeeeet, martin might not be the best being a rookie, but if he gives up half the pressure colombo did then its a plus. Long is in a contract year, pouncey has another year under him, i think reggie and the rest of the backs should have another good season. whoever qb is should be glad the turnstile at rt is gone, even if martin doesnt start then who ever replace colombo SHOULD be an improvement.

DL...IM really hoping and thinking that the DL can resemble something of trace armstrong, JT, TImbo, and gardener......are DT's are STOUT with starks and solai, and hopefully odrick can turn into the next trace with wake taking all the attention on opposite side.

LB...LB scares me, but with the two beast DTS pressure should be kept off dansby so he can roam like ZT....not saying he will be ZT but he should have pressure kept off him. the other two positions worry me some but hopefully with a new coaching staff personal can be different and we dont see burnett being lined against players he cant cover and misi showing signs of his rookie year flashings

DB...if smith can remember he used to be a reciever at utah and can come down with a pick or four that could be +2 or 3 wins in the column, a couple dropped picks wouldve been difference last year, if davis can stay healthy and get his mind straight i really feel he could be a top tier corner. both safety positions are up for grabs and that scares me more than any other position on the team, jones is go big or go home, i think clemons can give up the deep without letting it be a homerun.....think wilson is also a little bit of go big or go home.

ST...we have no clue other than carpenter or fields. im confident with them both kicking. think we'll give miller a shot at KR and who knows at PR....as much as Bess disappointed me at PR he was consitent. No biggies but no mistakes.

SO yes......i know we havent even gotten to training camp or preseason yet, but try to convince this homer that we are not contenders. everyone is contenders at 0-0 but show me how we're worse than the others. We have a team with both a new offense and new defense that no other team in league has game film on us running, we have a few players at important positions in a contract year....BIGGIE......moore, bush, long, fasano, hartline.....

Pats are aging and we almost beat em last year, they gotta faulter eventually, Jets are the JESTS, they are worried more about pretty plays for tebow than working a real offense and developing sanchez if thats possible, and even with the offseason pickups the bills are still the jillls, mario is almost the same player as wake, he'll over pursue and allow the inside run, who would you rather have on an overpursued DE play reggie bush or jackson....even though jackson did have a good year....ill take bush.

if one of the 3 qbs can do the their thing im saying we can advance in playoffs........

now prove me wrong without saying <sigh> offseason post
Click to expand...

I'm not necessarily trying to convince you, because I'm not a debbie downer, BUT, 7-9, 7-9, and 6-10 after a disastrous 0-7 start do not bode well for claiming to be a contender. New staff, new philosophy, the loss of your biggest offensive weapon (as much of a head case he is) and replacing him with players that already are giving the coaching staff heartburn with the amount of drops in practice...OVERALL I like what this team is doing, but we are rebuilding at least partially. WR's brand new, RB's two second year guys with a new home run hitter rookie to add to the fold, rookie QB self explanatory, and new Olineman like Martin to try to secure that right side. On top of that, we've tried to address the fact that we need another pass rusher, and we may or may not have gotten one.

And the Dolphins, as any other team, does not exist in a vaccuum so I expect realistically an 8-8 year with a 9-7 year in reach and I'd be happy with that.
 
Now we got Ochocinco as well.... Could be a sleeper, we know this team can play when motivated to prove they don't suck...let's see if they can do it from the get go
 
I haven't figured out if Philbin can lead us across the Mendoza Line ... probably won't know until late Fall, or maybe even next year.

Vegas says Nyet!!
 
crumpdaddy said:
fellow fins i always wear the aqua colored glasses and have the homerism. i see potential in the season despite alot saying we're not in contention and we shouldnt be signing older players and develop the younger guys for 1-2 years down the road...

Convince me and the other homers that we're not a contender this year...
Click to expand...

1. Our O is switching to a completely new offensive system. Sure the last 1 sucked but for most this is a new playbook. IMO we wont see the entire scope of this offense until year 2...
2. Our D is switching to a completely new defensive system for them. yes some of them have played and excelled in a 4-3 but it is once again a change.
3. Our corners are still worse than the Jimmy Johnson era. Sam Madison and Pat Surtain and Terrell "Pass interference" Buckley are heads and tails better than what we have...Vonte is good but not on either of the previously mentioned CB's levels, Smith cant tackle for anything. In the end corners are up there as the most important spot in the Defense in the new NFL, and ours arent where they need to be...
4. Ditto on Safeties...
5. We need another pass rusher opposite wake...
6. We have had too many waster 1-3 round picks in the past 10+ years...this can further be broken down to the past 5+ years...How many draft picks do we still have from the last 5 years??? You cannot undo the damage this does to your team with 1 draft and a 1st time head coach...
7. How many 1st time NFL head coaches have he had now? Saban, Cameron, Morano, and now another 1...this one seems like he can handle it but so did saban and the meatball...

i see a lot of Ifs up in your post...
 
JCane said:
That right there is all you need to know about why we're not.

Don't even know who our QB is. And even if we did know, neither of those guys are in the top half of QBs in the league.
Click to expand...

That about sums it up. Combined with the facts that we have no receivers, Bush will see a lot more 8 in the box, we have no safeties and a whole new defensive system, I'm not in love with our prospects next year.
 
thought rating wise matt moore was in top half of league, him or garrard prove they can be top 12 instead of top 16.....welll there are 12 playoff teams.

normally im paranoid about reading threads i posted while drinking but didnt take too big of a butt whooping on this. sparano won the division his first year coaching here (granted brady was hurt but carrol put up FRANCHISE tag numbers in that offense for them), saban went over 500 his first year here and had people talking about us doing a superbowl run in his second season....ooops.

we have a fair share of players with something to prove to get that big contract, doesnt always work out that way but, think if that 12 yard catch turns into a 14 yard reception or that 3 yards and a cloud of dust run turns into a 5 yard run....those small gains move chains over a series. Its a gamble giving a player an extension pre free agency but you can see most play harder cause the nfl is about money and hartline getting 900 yards recieving instead of 1000 could mean the difference in millions, along with reggie bush.

also the 8 man in the box hurts teams that are more ground and pound than anyone. yes our recievers might not scare anyone on paper, but 8 men in the bod damages more physical running backs because more people to try to break tackles. 8 men in the box vs a guy that makes a cut and goes doesnt bode as well against a team with more of a scat back. yeah reggie dancing around might gain only 3 yards instead of 4, but when he bust it up that 20 yard run that the safety makes turns into the homerun hit.

it was also said that we didnt seem to click in the new playbook with new OC til after 8 weeks last year.. well looking back at last year we didnt have an offseason, we have plenty of offseason this year so reccon it should click sooner.

click click click, from our OT updates we seem to be running enough plays that everyone should be clicking if we keep up the pace til reg season. read earlier shula had 4 practices a day when he took over. im sure the amount of plays are guys are having to see must seem like 4 a days....even though damn i remember how bad 2 a days were back in highschool...couldnt even imagine 4 a days.

i do worry about the secondarys leadership but i feel as though if clemons get the nod at FS he can keep the guys lined up right.

as much potential as i see in the team i think the QB decision will let us know where the season is going. i think if we go garrard then philbin thinks we can go far this season, we go moore then coach thinks we can be competitive with this roster for a couple years, and if we go tannehill think he might think lets lay low for a few more pieces and get tannehill game experience while we wait.....i could be completely wrong though, tannehill could be the QB that leads a WCO offense to the promise land or we could sink hard with garrard. Our 1 and 2 QB's both having won acolades and both having a winning career percentage doesnt scare me.

and yes there is prob a drunk fan out there on BROWNlove or COLTfever out there posting the same type of post but at the same time they are posting alot more ifs than this FINheaven member. my probables and possibles are based on seeing a broad workload from most players. im not saying lamar miller is gonna be next LT or martin will be another Long, im saying players we've seen play over the years can do it.

and just for the record the fasano being a top 3rd in the league TE comment.....yeah that might have been a bit of a stretch, but easily top 3rd TRUE TE is FARRRRRRR from farfetched. most of the top TE are glorified BIG reciever type, Fasano is a true TE. I dont complain about em, heck i hope egnew turns into a hernadez, but how much blocking do you see those guys do on a DE or OLB, run a route or do a chip block. Fasano can keep a hand in the dirt and help running game and makes few mistakes when ball is in air in his direction. For all wishing clay can be a gronk, gates or whatever, look more for him being a fasano type clone, hand in the dirt, helping run game and causing a mismatch after realease, egnew was drafted to be our finly. hernadez, gates, gronk.

im not saying we are gonna win the superbowl, and if you look down are roster on opening day you're gonna see quite a few starters that wouldnt get reps on last years playoff teams, but at the same time you;re gonna see a few that could've made that playoff team a superbowl contender. Even as going as far as bess returning punts for the 49ers, or hartline making that catch instead of welker dropping it in the superbowl :-D

BUt regardless its bedtime cause work comes soon, i just hope i dont come back to two more thumbs down. even if i do do drunken post im wikipedian and googling on the side nonstop. that should be at least worth one thumbs up instead of two thumbs down. we all get excited every year, but this is the most excited i've been since prob sabans second season.

optimism is what makes the offseason what it is, a finfan should never have to go between start of jan til start of sept not being able to show any optimism. Many dollars of jack, jim, jose, bud, and miller have went into my post :-) and not one penny has ever been wasted on optomism
 
I just don't know this year which is a lot better than I could say last year.

What can Tannehill or Garrard do? How will this coach turn out? Can Ocho contribute anything? There are some talented players on the team and I think it's possible to put a good season together.

It would be great if they could rip off a couple of wins early and at least be in this thing. The way the media around the country hates Miami and most NFL fans don't really care for them it could be a fun season to suprise the haters.
 
crumpdaddy said:
thought rating wise matt moore was in top half of league, him or garrard prove they can be top 12 instead of top 16.....welll there are 12 playoff teams.

normally im paranoid about reading threads i posted while drinking but didnt take too big of a butt whooping on this. sparano won the division his first year coaching here (granted brady was hurt but carrol put up FRANCHISE tag numbers in that offense for them), saban went over 500 his first year here and had people talking about us doing a superbowl run in his second season....ooops.

we have a fair share of players with something to prove to get that big contract, doesnt always work out that way but, think if that 12 yard catch turns into a 14 yard reception or that 3 yards and a cloud of dust run turns into a 5 yard run....those small gains move chains over a series. Its a gamble giving a player an extension pre free agency but you can see most play harder cause the nfl is about money and hartline getting 900 yards recieving instead of 1000 could mean the difference in millions, along with reggie bush.

also the 8 man in the box hurts teams that are more ground and pound than anyone. yes our recievers might not scare anyone on paper, but 8 men in the bod damages more physical running backs because more people to try to break tackles. 8 men in the box vs a guy that makes a cut and goes doesnt bode as well against a team with more of a scat back. yeah reggie dancing around might gain only 3 yards instead of 4, but when he bust it up that 20 yard run that the safety makes turns into the homerun hit.

it was also said that we didnt seem to click in the new playbook with new OC til after 8 weeks last year.. well looking back at last year we didnt have an offseason, we have plenty of offseason this year so reccon it should click sooner.

click click click, from our OT updates we seem to be running enough plays that everyone should be clicking if we keep up the pace til reg season. read earlier shula had 4 practices a day when he took over. im sure the amount of plays are guys are having to see must seem like 4 a days....even though damn i remember how bad 2 a days were back in highschool...couldnt even imagine 4 a days.

i do worry about the secondarys leadership but i feel as though if clemons get the nod at FS he can keep the guys lined up right.

as much potential as i see in the team i think the QB decision will let us know where the season is going. i think if we go garrard then philbin thinks we can go far this season, we go moore then coach thinks we can be competitive with this roster for a couple years, and if we go tannehill think he might think lets lay low for a few more pieces and get tannehill game experience while we wait.....i could be completely wrong though, tannehill could be the QB that leads a WCO offense to the promise land or we could sink hard with garrard. Our 1 and 2 QB's both having won acolades and both having a winning career percentage doesnt scare me.

and yes there is prob a drunk fan out there on BROWNlove or COLTfever out there posting the same type of post but at the same time they are posting alot more ifs than this FINheaven member. my probables and possibles are based on seeing a broad workload from most players. im not saying lamar miller is gonna be next LT or martin will be another Long, im saying players we've seen play over the years can do it.

and just for the record the fasano being a top 3rd in the league TE comment.....yeah that might have been a bit of a stretch, but easily top 3rd TRUE TE is FARRRRRRR from farfetched. most of the top TE are glorified BIG reciever type, Fasano is a true TE. I dont complain about em, heck i hope egnew turns into a hernadez, but how much blocking do you see those guys do on a DE or OLB, run a route or do a chip block. Fasano can keep a hand in the dirt and help running game and makes few mistakes when ball is in air in his direction. For all wishing clay can be a gronk, gates or whatever, look more for him being a fasano type clone, hand in the dirt, helping run game and causing a mismatch after realease, egnew was drafted to be our finly. hernadez, gates, gronk.

im not saying we are gonna win the superbowl, and if you look down are roster on opening day you're gonna see quite a few starters that wouldnt get reps on last years playoff teams, but at the same time you;re gonna see a few that could've made that playoff team a superbowl contender. Even as going as far as bess returning punts for the 49ers, or hartline making that catch instead of welker dropping it in the superbowl :-D

BUt regardless its bedtime cause work comes soon, i just hope i dont come back to two more thumbs down. even if i do do drunken post im wikipedian and googling on the side nonstop. that should be at least worth one thumbs up instead of two thumbs down. we all get excited every year, but this is the most excited i've been since prob sabans second season.

optimism is what makes the offseason what it is, a finfan should never have to go between start of jan til start of sept not being able to show any optimism. Many dollars of jack, jim, jose, bud, and miller have went into my post :-) and not one penny has ever been wasted on optomism
Click to expand...


I think our biggest difference is in philosopy. You see optimism as some magic pill that solves everything. I see it as a destructive force that leads to pain and disappointment. I see realism as that magic pill. I want to know truth, what truely IS, not what MIGHT be in some fairy tale land. If you think optimism is free then once again I disagree. I play poker professionally for a living, and if it weren't for those out there willing to pay to see that last card, hoping, praying, believing optimistically that their miracle card is coming on the river, I wouldn't have the life that I have.

If you really believe that this years team is a playoff team then I guess you would be willing to put a small wager on it. Maybe a $100 or so?? We will see if we can't get that optimism to cost you a little.
 
I've seen this team let me down too many times for me to think they'll make the leap to being contenders next season. They have to prove it. They're not gonna suck me into being optimistic.

6-10. Book it.
 
crumpdaddy said:
fellow fins i always wear the aqua colored glasses and have the homerism. i see potential in the season despite alot saying we're not in contention and we shouldnt be signing older players and develop the younger guys for 1-2 years down the road...

Convince me and the other homers that we're not a contender this year...

i think starting QB will be between garrard and moore...
Click to expand...
And that's where it ends for me. They MAY be good enough to back us into the playoffs with this cake schedule, but that's it, and even that is unrealistic as far as I'm concerned (maybe if we were in the NFC West). Our WR corps have way too many question marks, no matter how it's spun (magical WCO, etc.), and our D is about to transition to a 4-3. Add in the fact that all new schemes are being implemented on each side of the ball, including the often overlooked STs, and I just don't see a realistic chance.

If Ireland builds on this last draft and brings in some more talent at WR and LB (can we please join the modern NFL and cover the new weapon on offense, the TE?) and Tannehill develops well, there is no reason why we can't compete in 2013. It doesn't take 7 years or whatever to turn around a franchise anymore. 1-2 years for playoffs, 1-3 years MAX for actually contending once you've addressed the most important position in football, or it's being done wrong at the GM and/or coaching level.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom