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Could Jets match our miserable fate from 1993?

I think the Dolphins offense has had the toughest tests in the league thus far.. again, Miami has had to play 5/6 of the top defenses in the league over the first 9 games of the season.

That Bears defense is outstanding. And we know about the Steelers.... two teams the jets offense has yet to play.

When the Jets faced a couple of higher caliber defenses they were only able to muster something like 7 first downs against the Ravens, and they got shut out at home against the Packers (who have the top scoring defense in the NFL).. Yeah the Dolphins got shut out by the Bears, but that was without most of our O-line and our 3rd string QB. The Jets got shut out with their guys healthy.

I also think we would have moved the ball better at home against the ravens instead of on the road where they're very VERY good. The Jets got them at home - plus they didn't have to face Ed Reed.

The Vikes also play much better defensively at home than on the road.. we got them on the road while the jets got them at home.

The dolphins have yet to play the browns and lions defenses while the jets played them already... and of course the Jets got the Texans who have the worst pass defense in the league.

i think our offensive ranks would be a little different now if things were evened out schedule wise... although the jets would probably come out on top, thanks to Henning... but the two teams would probably be a lot" closer" offensively if the jets didn't have such a favorable schedule thus far.

The Jets offense has had a much easier go of it by facing a lot more defenses that are quite poor. When the dolphins faced some of those crappy defenses, they had no problem putting up 29 and 33 points against teams like the Raiders and Titans.. we just haven't played as many crappy defenses as the Jets have played.
 
nyjunc said:
It doesn't bother me at all, our D has been medicore and you guys think your D is great yet our D is still better. All I care about is the record and we are 9-2 playing for the top seed while you guys have very little chance to make the playoffs.

You aren't getting Colt McCoy against Cle or Stafford against Detroit.
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i read somewhere that stafford might start to throw this week, so if thats true, we may get him since the game is in 3 weeks from sunday.
 
I remember the '93 season well. I was in 2nd grade, and had been a Dolphin fan for two years and we were watching the game at my grandma's during Thanksgiving. My cousin's husband was there and he was a huge Dallas fan. I can remember him cheering when the field goal was blocked, then I thought he was going to cry when Leon touched the ball, haha. Ahh, memories :-)

Anyways, I don't think the Jets are nearly as tough as the media treats them. They are one of those teams that gets confident and starts playing above their talent level. So all it really takes is one big loss and they lose their momentum. I think that big loss will come against New England. If NE puts up 35+ on them like I think they can, the Jets will have a tough time rebounding and will most likely finish 10-6 or 11-5. We just have to take care of our business though.
 
Greyboy said:
I think the Dolphins offense has had the toughest tests in the league thus far.. again, Miami has had to play 5/6 of the top defenses in the league over the first 9 games of the season.

That Bears defense is outstanding. And we know about the Steelers.... two teams the jets offense has yet to play.

When the Jets faced a couple of higher caliber defenses they were only able to muster something like 7 first downs against the Ravens, and they got shut out at home against the Packers (who have the top scoring defense in the NFL).. Yeah the Dolphins got shut out by the Bears, but that was without most of our O-line and our 3rd string QB. The Jets got shut out with their guys healthy.

I also think we would have moved the ball better at home against the ravens instead of on the road where they're very VERY good. The Jets got them at home - plus they didn't have to face Ed Reed.

The Vikes also play much better defensively at home than on the road.. we got them on the road while the jets got them at home.

The dolphins have yet to play the browns and lions defenses while the jets played them already... and of course the Jets got the Texans who have the worst pass defense in the league.

i think our offensive ranks would be a little different now if things were evened out schedule wise... although the jets would probably come out on top, thanks to Henning... but the two teams would probably be a lot" closer" offensively if the jets didn't have such a favorable schedule thus far.

The Jets offense has had a much easier go of it by facing a lot more defenses that are quite poor. When the dolphins faced some of those crappy defenses, they had no problem putting up 29 and 33 points against teams like the Raiders and Titans.. we just haven't played as many crappy defenses as the Jets have played.
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The Bills didn't have any problems scoring on the Bears.


The baltimore game our coach was scared of the Raven D and he didn't allow our QB to play, things would be very different if we played again.

The GB game was decided by weather. Neither offense scored a TD and it was a 3-0 game until late in the 4th qtr.

we compared the D's, now let's compare the Os against common opponents:

vs. Bal: NYJ 9, Mia 10. Mia +1
vs. NE: NYJ 28, Mia 14. NYJ +14
vs. Buf: NYJ 38, Mia 13. NYJ +25
vs. Min: NYJ 22, Mia 7. NYJ+15
vs. GB: NYJ 0, Mia 20(reg). Mia +20
vs. Cin: NYJ 17, Mia 22. Mia +5

Total: NYJ+28
 
nyjunc said:
The Bills didn't have any problems scoring on the Bears.
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The Bears are 4th on defense and 2nd in pts allowed.. one anomaly game doesn't change that.


The baltimore game our coach was scared of the Raven D and he didn't allow our QB to play, things would be very different if we played again.
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you want to bring up coaching ? If we had an offensive coordinator and not a senile 70 year old man calling the shots, every game would be different for us.

The GB game was decided by weather.
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i watched that game, lame excuse.


vs. Bal: NYJ 9, Mia 10. Mia +1
vs. NE: NYJ 28, Mia 14. NYJ +14
vs. Buf: NYJ 38, Mia 13. NYJ +25
vs. Min: NYJ 22, Mia 7. NYJ+15
vs. GB: NYJ 0, Mia 20(reg). Mia +20
vs. Cin: NYJ 17, Mia 22. Mia +5

Total: NYJ+28
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so basically the difference is the bills game.. one game... despite the dolphins having an offensive philosophy that plays for field goals.... brought down right from the coaches.

We had to play the Bills in week one where they historically play extremely well.. and it was their home opener against their #1 rival so they were juiced.. when you guys played the Bills, it was the third straight week their D gave up at least 30 pts.

and like your faulty D comparison, 5 of our 6 were on the road while you had 5 of the 6 at home. Our overall totals would be higher if we had 5 of 6 at home. And your overall totals would be lower if 5 of those 6 were on the road.

As I said initially, the Jets offense is better. But if you give the same schedule and play the same teams at the same "spots", the difference isn't as large as people think... even though we have a nutbag for an OC.
 
Greyboy said:
The Bears are 4th on defense and 2nd in pts allowed.. one anomaly game doesn't change that.




you want to bring up coaching ? If we had an offensive coordinator and not a senile 70 year old man calling the shots, every game would be different for us.



i watched that game, lame excuse.




so basically the difference is the bills game.. one game... despite the dolphins having an offensive philosophy that plays for field goals.... brought down right from the coaches.

We had to play the Bills in week one where they historically play extremely well.. and it was their home opener against their #1 rival so they were juiced.. when you guys played the Bills, it was the third straight week their D gave up at least 30 pts.

and like your faulty D comparison, 5 of our 6 were on the road while you had 5 of the 6 at home. Our overall totals would be higher if we had 5 of 6 at home. And your overall totals would be lower if 5 of those 6 were on the road.

As I said initially, the Jets offense is better. But if you give the same schedule and play the same teams at the same "spots", the difference isn't as large as people think... even though we have a nutbag for an OC.
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But using your criteria for evaluating top teams who have they beaten? They beat Philly on a terrible field the other day that's a nice win and they beat a beat GB team. It's funny how you try to take credit away from us but pump up a team that has done less than the Jets.

Every fanbase whines about their OC, that OC led a Jake Delhomme team to the SB. he helped win 11 games for you two years ago.


Lame excuse? It had everything to do w/ that game being low scoring. It was basically a 3-0 before the BS INT then we had to go for it and lost it on downs late and they kicked another FG.

So we take out our best differential game and leave yours in? I love how that works:lol:


yes, the Bills historically play well in week 1:lol2: Where do you come up w/ these excuses? They are 4-6 in their last 10 openers.

We also faced Fitzpatrick while you faced Trent Edwards.

yes, b/c you guys have been great at home. You do realize you are 1-4 at home, right?


we are better by a decent margin. Better coaching, betetr FO, better QB, RBs, OL, WRs, TE, DL, LBs, DBs, STs. You have the better K though:lol:
 
nyjunc said:
It's funny how you try to take credit away from us but pump up a team that has done less than the Jets.
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no what's funny is you trying to discredit a very good Bears defense.

Every fanbase whines about their OC
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Don't even go there,

Lame excuse?
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yes, lame.

So we take out our best differential game and leave yours in?
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No different than you trying to take a 5/6 home advantage and throwing a 5/6 road disadvantage to Miami.

yes, the Bills historically play well in week 1. Where do you come up w/ these excuses? They are 4-6 in their last 10 openers.
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There was a good story written before the season started explaining it.. don't look at overall record, but by how they've played over time. ie - the Bills had the Patriots beat in week one last year if their returner just kneeled down with one minute to go to run the clock out.

they play hard early on.. and they've covered in most of them.

We also faced Fitzpatrick while you faced Trent Edwards.
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we're talking about our offenses now.

yes, b/c you guys have been great at home. You do realize you are 1-4 at home, right?
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over the past 3 seasons the Dolphins offense has clearly performed better at home. Look at Henne's numbers last year at home where he has multiple 300+ yard games, etc. He was a different QB for the most part on the road. Overall the offense has been better at home.

We know about the historically bad call vs the Steelers.. the special teams gaffes in 2 other games - one of which took us totally out of our game plan... and we know about the Bears game when we were decimated with injuries on the O-line and a 3rd string QB.

but that doesn't change the fact that our numbers would have been higher if we were at home & given the same schedule and "spots the Jets have benefitted from.


we are better by a decent margin
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Who you play, and where you play them, and "when" you play them is important. I've made a lot of dough gambling in this sport. And you'd have to be naive if you don't think "spots" is a very important factor.

The Jets have had a more favorable schedule thus far. Give the Dolphins that same jets schedule up until this point, and the margin wouldn't be as wide as you think.
 
Greyboy said:
no what's funny is you trying to discredit a very good Bears defense.


Don't even go there,



yes, lame.



No different than you trying to take a 5/6 home advantage and throwing a 5/6 road disadvantage to Miami.



There was a good story written before the season started explaining it.. don't look at overall record, but by how they've played over time. ie - the Bills had the Patriots beat in week one last year if their returner just kneeled down with one minute to go to run the clock out.

they play hard early on.. and they've covered in most of them.


we're talking about our offenses now.



over the past 3 seasons the Dolphins offense has clearly performed better at home. Look at Henne's numbers last year at home where he has multiple 300+ yard games, etc. He was a different QB for the most part on the road. Overall the offense has been better at home.

We know about the historically bad call vs the Steelers.. the special teams gaffes in 2 other games - one of which took us totally out of our game plan... and we know about the Bears game when we were decimated with injuries on the O-line and a 3rd string QB.

but that doesn't change the fact that our numbers would have been higher if we were at home & given the same schedule the Jets have.



Who you play, and where you play them, and "when" you play them is important. I've made a lot of dough gambling in this sport. And you'd have to be naive if you don't think "spots" is a very important factor.

The Jets have had a more favorable schedule thus far. Give the Dolphins that same jets schedule up until this point, and the margin wouldn't be as wide as you think.
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Again-you realize that you are 1-4 at home, right? so shouldn't that home/road split favor you guys since we are better on the road too?

Guess what? the returner didn't kneel and NE won the game. The bottom line is Buf stinks and they were much worse week 1 than they are now.


Why are you looking at historical #s instead of 2010 #s?

What can I say? we get all the breaks, Miami always plays the much tougher sched and we have been lucky to get to 9-2. Is there a point in arguing this when you bring up every excuse in the book?

We have played similar scheds, we are better on the road too so the common games being slanted toward us at home helps Miami.
 
nyjunc said:
Again-you realize that you are 1-4 at home, right? so shouldn't that home/road split favor you guys since we are better on the road too?

Guess what? the returner didn't kneel and NE won the game. The bottom line is Buf stinks and they were much worse week 1 than they are now.


Why are you looking at historical #s instead of 2010 #s?

What can I say? we get all the breaks, Miami always plays the much tougher sched and we have been lucky to get to 9-2. Is there a point in arguing this when you bring up every excuse in the book?

We have played similar scheds, we are better on the road too so the common games being slanted toward us at home helps Miami.
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I don't think you're better on the road.....you just have played mostly garbage on the road. Miami is the only team with more than 4 wins you had to visit so far....and you still struggled @DEN, @DET and @CLE. Beating NE at home by itself is more impressive than how you have played on the road.
 
burger13 said:
I don't think you're better on the road.....you just have played mostly garbage on the road. Miami is the only team with more than 4 wins you had to visit so far....and you still struggled @DEN, @DET and @CLE. Beating NE at home by itself is more impressive than how you have played on the road.
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its gonna be funny when the "garbage" browns beat the fins.
 
Whatever. Our time of year is coming. The temperature drops, the wind picks up....run the ball and play defense. I'm hearing that it might snow on Monday night. That would work out well for us.
 
I did not get a chance to read all the threads, I think it is bad luck talking about the downfall of the Jets. I know that sounds ridiculous. Plus, it lets the idiot Jets fans chime in. And when they ate 9 - 2, we really can't talk to much smack. The very beginning of the year, there were all those stories of ego's colliding after the Jets lost to Baltimore, turned out to be nothing. I am just thinking about the Browns.
 
This thread could have been executed so much better if it were just titled "Jets could finish season 0-5"
 
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