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Could The Dolphins OL Be Better This Year?

With what we know now- will the OL be better


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Poll is void. People are answering two different questions. My answer to the first question is Yes. my answer to the second question is about the same

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There is a minimum amount of posts that you need before you can do those things. Not sure what the number is but just keep participating and you will get there in no time/
 
So with all the poo-pooing going around I thought I'd had a little bit of positive. I'm not giving stats- just giving three areas of focus to where our OL should be much better. Lets face it, it'll be tough to be worse. Anyway, here goes:

Coaching:

If you would like to defend the last 8 games of Mike Sherman go nuts. I don't. His play calling was predictable and made our offense one sided. Ryan Tannehill threw the ball way more than any 2nd year QB with little experience should, and the defenses knew it. They pinned their ears back and really laid into an already weak OL. Sherman couldn't even call/coach effective screens to alleviate that. So, enter Lazer. I think we are all hopeful that he will be more innovative, and make better use of players than Sherman. +1 here

Personnel:

Albert > Martina or McKinnie
Shelley > Cog (run especially...should be a big help)
Pouncey = Pouncey
Dallas Thomas? = Jerry
Draft Pick > Clabo

This looks, for now, to be what we can expect as the OL. I see 2 or 3 obvious improvements in players with maybe 1 downgrade. Better players will be a big help.

Distractions:

That bullygate crap will be done.

That's my $.02....seems like an up arrow to me.

I voted yes. But, we see the path to improvement differently.

Branden Albert, yes, faaaaaar better ... presuming he stays healthy, it's a huge upgrade at the most important position.

Shelley is very poor in pass protection. Incognito was a pro-bowler year before last, he was OK in pass protection last year, and excelled in run blocking. Even if we agree that Shelley can be an improvement in run blocking (which is by no means assured), the deficit in pass protection absolutely precludes him from LG. At best, he will be a RG on run downs and a liability in pass protection. He is not a starter, and a serious downgrade to Incognito. Hopefully we get Zack Martin, who could be an upgrade to Incognito ... but it's not Shelley Smith, he was one of the very worst pass protectors in the NFL last year, anda we're a pass-first offense.

Pouncey should be better actually. Improved learning, better talent around him. And most importantly, something to prove.

Dallas Thomas sucks. He was a disaster. He is an upgrade to no one. Believe me when I say that I have always been a John Jerry detractor, but at least he wasn't horrible at pass protection. He was bad, and even worse in run blocking, but Dallas Thomas is not an NFL player. He needs to fundamentally change himself and his technique and his training if he is to ever be a starter. We will replace Jerry, and I'm optimistic we can find that person in the draft or free agency, but Dallas Thomas is not the answer. It's like picking Pee Wee Herman to knock out Mike Tyson .... not ... gonna ... happen.

Tyson Clabo started horrifically (new word? Cool!). But, after Bryant McKinnie joined it was weird, but Clabo instantly got a lot better. Did he finally adjust to the ZBS? Or was it simply that help was slid to him instead of away from him to Martin's side? Or was it simply chemistry? Whatever, he was serviceable after McKinnie came. Will a draft pick be better? Dunno, maybe. Will we find a FA veteran who we can plug in like Eric Winston? Dunno, maybe. But, I'd say this one is still a question mark.

I'm basing improvement on 4 things:

1. Better coaching
2. MUCH improved LT
3. Pouncey with something to prove
4. Hight draft picks on OL.
 
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With what know now?? If that is the same as "what we have now" then the answer is NO. I can't see any way we don't continue to upgrade through the draft and at least two-three more free agents, but right now we have two starters. There is no way we are better NOW, but I certainly hope we are not going to start the season with two starters, and 3 backups.

I think the poll could be better worded. Something like, "once we are finished upgrading our OL, do you think it will be better than last years" ? Then I would vote yes, although I must admit I am not too impressed with the moves our GM has made to this point.
 
I voted yes. But, we see the path to improvement differently.

Branden Albert, yes, faaaaaar better ... presuming he stays healthy, it's a huge upgrade at the most important position.

Shelley is very poor in pass protection. Incognito was a pro-bowler year before last, he was OK in pass protection last year, and excelled in run blocking. Even if we agree that Shelley can be an improvement in run blocking (which is by no means assured), the deficit in pass protection absolutely precludes him from LG. At best, he will be a RG on run downs and a liability in pass protection. He is not a starter, and a serious downgrade to Incognito. Hopefully we get Zack Martin, who could be an upgrade to Incognito ... but it's not Shelley Smith, he was one of the very worst pass protectors in the NFL last year, anda we're a pass-first offense.

Pouncey should be better actually. Improved learning, better talent around him. And most importantly, something to prove.

Dallas Thomas sucks. He was a disaster. He is an upgrade to no one. Believe me when I say that I have always been a John Jerry detractor, but at least he wasn't horrible at pass protection. He was bad, and even worse in run blocking, but Dallas Thomas is not an NFL player. He needs to fundamentally change himself and his technique and his training if he is to ever be a starter. We will replace Jerry, and I'm optimistic we can find that person in the draft or free agency, but Dallas Thomas is not the answer. It's like picking Pee Wee Herman to knock out Mike Tyson .... not ... gonna ... happen.

Tyson Clabo started horrifically (new word? Cool!). But, after Bryant McKinnie joined it was weird, but Clabo instantly got a lot better. Did he finally adjust to the ZBS? Or was it simply that help was slid to him instead of away from him to Martin's side? Or was it simply chemistry? Whatever, he was serviceable after McKinnie came. Will a draft pick be better? Dunno, maybe. Will we find a FA veteran who we can plug in like Eric Winston? Dunno, maybe. But, I'd say this one is still a question mark.

I'm basing improvement on 4 things:

1. Better coaching
2. MUCH improved LT
3. Pouncey with something to prove
4. Hight draft picks on OL.

VERY well written, I agree 100%. Those who think Shelly is an upgrade over Richie are not paying attention. We have a chance to be a better OL, but we certainly are not as this point.
 
I feel that we ave not finished adding veterans. This is not the starting unit. We will not know who is starting until training camp.
I feel confident that Hickey will get the players to make this unit solid to above average.
Yes.
 
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It freaking better be...watching that video is like putting hot pokers in your eyes...again 40 mil one lock starter on the oline...I just can't understand it
 
well being a betting man I would definitely bet overall it wont be worse.That being said at this point we only have one upgrade on the OL at this point although its a big one. Smith may help but he is really nothing special. Good versus run and bad versus pass.
We had players we could have signed but we seem to be bargain shopping on line now.
 
The short answer? Sweet Jesus, I hope so.
The long answer? Basically the same, only with a lot more weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth.
 
Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 2m

Philbin says Dallas Thomas has a spot to win a starting spot. The offensive line, he said, still has plenty of holes.
Philbin on whether Dallas Thomas is a tackle or guard. "That's a great question." Says they're looking at both.


Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero 6m

Joe Philbin will not commit to saying Dallas Thomas is a guard or right tackle. "he has position flexibility."


Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley 8m

Philbin on Dallas Thomas: "We've got to find him a home."

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Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 31s

Joe Philbin basically said Dolphins will address the right side of offensive line in the draft, and need to select players who fit scheme.

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 30s

Philbin says he's not sure if they are short one or two starting offensive linemen, depends on if guys like Thomas, Brenner step up
 
Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley 25s

Philbin said the No. 1 focus on improving the offense this season is protection.

Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 55s

Joe Philbin said the Dolphins need to do a better job of protecting the quarterback. "We haven't protected the quarterback well enough."

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Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 23s

"Our run game will primarily be a zone blocking scheme," Philbin said. "Execution, protection of QB, more explosive plays, limit turnovers"
 
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