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Could The Pats Have Prevented At Least 1 Murder: Where's The Moral Indignation Here?

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The detailed and deeply researched Rolling Stone article makes the case that as far as the Patriots as a team, Belicheat as a knowing HC and even Kraft as an owner, there's plenty of blame to go around as follows. Yet where's the outrage over enabling Hernandez and possibly preventing not just the Lloyd murder, but maybe 2 drive-bys the previous year?

How much more complicit are the Fins and their coaching staff when Martin laughingly "suffered" in silence than the long time span that all Pats interested parties knew Hernandez was doping up and thugging?

I recall when the article came out, it's short media interest span and initially how it was spun - and that's more that Hernandez was a ticking time bomb, the kinds of thugs with whom he associated and less exploring the culpability of Kraft, Belichick and failures of the Patriots organization to be proactive in preventing this.

Now, I've excerpted Michael David Smith's blurb summarizing the article which leaves out BB telling Hernandez to get an apartment to extricate himself from his surroundings - as if a change of scenery is gonna reverse homicidal pathology. Smith did also ponder just how much in reality could the Pats have done to prevent their players' off the field behavior. Well, hellsbells, if Martin's account was true (and if you think it was, I'd caution you to not select cruiseships that could sail off the edges of the world), then what could the Fins have done if they knew little?

Basically, two wrongs don't make a right of course. However, given the feeding frenzy on a visceral reaction by BSPN and others even before all the information other than what was self-serving to the Martin lawsuit was in, Richie, the coaching staff and even players like mentioning Tannnehill by name were being skewed and excoriated in an epic Pavlovian droolfest.

For years I've been contending that the fix was in - based on the questionable and egregious calls favoring particular teams from league directives to the refs to modify games to benefit whomever they wanted in the playoffs which would generate ratings and ad dollars, going back to that SB tuck rule and the petticoat they put on Brady... and that Goodell is one of Kraft's toadies. I dunno, but I'd think that in terms of league investigation, resulting penalties, media spotlights shining bright, etc., where I come from, assuming a "look the other way" policy when it comes to thuggery and potential homicide should trump the alleged "bullying" of a 325lb mentally damaged soft boy :idk:

PFT Recap August '13


The massive Rolling Stone investigation of Aaron Hernandez is now online, and one of the major takeaways of the piece is that the Patriots shoulder a lot of the blame for looking the other way about Hernandez’s off-field issues, and failing to see that Hernandez was a legal mess waiting to happen.

Hernandez now sits in jail awaiting trial, accused of murdering Odin Lloyd. The article, written by Rolling Stone contributing editor Paul Solotaroff and Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges, suggests that the Patriots botched the process of keeping their own house in order

Specifically, coach Bill Belichick is blamed for replacing the team’s security chief, a former Massachusetts state trooper named Frank Mendes, with Mark Briggs, a Brit whose background was in providing security for Wembley Stadium. The story suggests that if the Patriots had kept Mendes, they would have known a lot more about Hernandez’s dealings with what Rolling Stone describes as “thugs” and “stone-cold gangsters.”

Rolling Stone also goes hard on Patriots owner Robert Kraft, calling his claim that he was duped “arrant nonsense.” According to Rolling Stone‘s reporting, Hernandez was regularly using illegal drugs, hanging out with criminals and getting mixed up in so many bad situations that the only way the Patriots wouldn’t have known is if they didn’t want to know.

In fairness to the Patriots, however, it’s a lot easier to recognize Hernandez’s warning signs with 20/20 hindsight after he has already been charged with murder. Hernandez was, after all, a free man, so it wasn’t just the Patriots he was hiding these alleged illegal activities from. It was law enforcement as well.

The Hernandez story is far from over, but the Rolling Stone story is one of the deepest looks yet at what has transpired so far. And it’s a story that does not reflect well on anyone involved. Certainly not the Patriots.

Then of course there's the Chief's Belcher tragedy in KC. While I'm not suggesting anyone knew of his mounting inner demons and could have seen this coming, I don't recall the league even undertaking a routine investigation to determine if that was the case.. especially with an eye towards Romeo Crennell and his staff. But then again, as some of their players stated they never saw the events leading up to the murder of a young mother coming, why would that be more believable than the same protestations by Fins players? Gimme a ****in break!


 
You are absolutely correct....I think this story keeps evolving because it is capturing much more attention from everyone from the "bullying" claim. I was listening to Cowherd the other day and he was talking about how many e-mails he was getting from women (which is definitely not the norm) commenting about the Martin issue. I would guess this is because everyone has been around bullying of some sort if their life, and that is an ongoing national problem.
 
You are absolutely correct....I think this story keeps evolving because it is capturing much more attention from everyone from the "bullying" claim. I was listening to Cowherd the other day and he was talking about how many e-mails he was getting from women (which is definitely not the norm) commenting about the Martin issue. I would guess this is because everyone has been around bullying of some sort if their life, and that is an ongoing national problem.

which brings up another favored-son team of Goodell and several more workplace sexual harassment incidents that either were given a token slap on the wrist before being swept under the rug, or the "victim" for the sake of doing her job effectively and blending in, like the sexy Mexican reporter who was sexually harassed by Jest players and their foot-loving, wife-pimping(another story entirely) perv of a HC, electing to claim it didn't bother her. (if you're asserting that a 325 6ft5 trench warrior felt too intimidated to speak up, well what the hell does that infer about a 110lb reporter just trying to do her job?)

I even started a thread on this.

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?346710-If-Only-Goodell-Had-Been-OUR-Intern&highlight=

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So you folks are down to attacking the Patsies and Jets???

please come back and see me when you can justify that "bullying" of a 325lb lineman that internally goes unreported justifies the most outrage and and protracted media condemnation in comparison to the egregiousness of:

*the on premises workplace uninvited sexual harassment of two powerless 120lb or less female employees one enabled by a "company" representative and
*conclusive evidence that an organization was fully cognizant of unacceptable social and possible criminal behavior leading to one and maybe more murders and did little to alter its course.

And don't get me going on the moral indignation of a network that hires a commentator who was kicked off a team for being its lockerroom cancer and another who by accepting parole and a misdemeanor charge admitted he was complicit in a murder that obviously he had no problem letting go unsolved if not compelled to snitch.
 
I think part of the reason Bullygate's a big story is because there's multiple viewpoints on it (Team Incog, Team Martin, etc.), and it spurs debate amongst listeners and fans. It evokes passion in people's arguments.
There wasn't multiple views on Hernandez's case. The dude practically Looks guilty anyway you slice it (unless you're basically saying "yo I don't snitch, he's ma boy" like the Pouncey twins).
Same thing with Bountygate. There was hardly any proof or substance that I saw or heard coming from the defendants' side; from what I remember, they just filed for defamation and that was it; aka, you Look guilty.

But Martin's actions in this event show that even though he may have good intentions to stop the harassment -- he handled it in an irresponsible way. People can argue both sides of that. And so they (we) do.

What I hate though is that Bullygate is, IMO, hardly a big deal compared to those other scandals. As one article I read basically summed it up, the one thing the Patriots and Saints had to help them through these messes: recent Lombardi trophies.
People can look the other way when they know you got the gold, there's some concrete evidence of success in your organization. The Dolphins though, have nothing but a handful of losing records.
 
Come on Fin fans....this is our scandal, man up and stop pointing at other teams scandals.....I live in Mass and that Hernandez story was huge and still is and the trial hasn't even started yet...that was an individual who murdered people in the off season...blame Hernandez and no one else......

What we are dealing with here is the alpha male syndrome gone to far and everyone who's been bullied or disrespected by a football player is moving in for the kill, the dolphin messed up by letting this get out in public by not fixing it in house...the leadership on this team should have squashed this early by noticing the signs and keeping Richie in check.....they didn't now the entire league will pay for it, along with college and high school teams......
 
Because the good 'ol boy network of Roger Goodell and the Shield is only interested in protecting the Tom Brady and Bill Belichicks of the world.
 
The detailed and deeply researched Rolling Stone article makes the case that as far as the Patriots as a team, Belicheat as a knowing HC and even Kraft as an owner, there's plenty of blame to go around as follows. Yet where's the outrage over enabling Hernandez and possibly preventing not just the Lloyd murder, but maybe 2 drive-bys the previous year?

How much more complicit are the Fins and their coaching staff when Martin laughingly "suffered" in silence than the long time span that all Pats interested parties knew Hernandez was doping up and thugging?

I recall when the article came out, it's short media interest span and initially how it was spun - and that's more that Hernandez was a ticking time bomb, the kinds of thugs with whom he associated and less exploring the culpability of Kraft, Belichick and failures of the Patriots organization to be proactive in preventing this.

Now, I've excerpted Michael David Smith's blurb summarizing the article which leaves out BB telling Hernandez to get an apartment to extricate himself from his surroundings - as if a change of scenery is gonna reverse homicidal pathology. Smith did also ponder just how much in reality could the Pats have done to prevent their players' off the field behavior. Well, hellsbells, if Martin's account was true (and if you think it was, I'd caution you to not select cruiseships that could sail off the edges of the world), then what could the Fins have done if they knew little?

Basically, two wrongs don't make a right of course. However, given the feeding frenzy on a visceral reaction by BSPN and others even before all the information other than what was self-serving to the Martin lawsuit was in, Richie, the coaching staff and even players like mentioning Tannnehill by name were being skewed and excoriated in an epic Pavlovian droolfest.

For years I've been contending that the fix was in - based on the questionable and egregious calls favoring particular teams from league directives to the refs to modify games to benefit whomever they wanted in the playoffs which would generate ratings and ad dollars, going back to that SB tuck rule and the petticoat they put on Brady... and that Goodell is one of Kraft's toadies. I dunno, but I'd think that in terms of league investigation, resulting penalties, media spotlights shining bright, etc., where I come from, assuming a "look the other way" policy when it comes to thuggery and potential homicide should trump the alleged "bullying" of a 325lb mentally damaged soft boy :idk:

PFT Recap August '13




Then of course there's the Chief's Belcher tragedy in KC. While I'm not suggesting anyone knew of his mounting inner demons and could have seen this coming, I don't recall the league even undertaking a routine investigation to determine if that was the case.. especially with an eye towards Romeo Crennell and his staff. But then again, as some of their players stated they never saw the events leading up to the murder of a young mother coming, why would that be more believable than the same protestations by Fins players? Gimme a ****in break!




So now its an NFL conspiracy?.....Wow simply unreal. Denial at its finest there Vaark.
 
Come on Fin fans....this is our scandal, man up and stop pointing at other teams scandals.....I live in Mass and that Hernandez story was huge and still is and the trial hasn't even started yet...that was an individual who murdered people in the off season...blame Hernandez and no one else......

What we are dealing with here is the alpha male syndrome gone to far and everyone who's been bullied or disrespected by a football player is moving in for the kill, the dolphin messed up by letting this get out in public by not fixing it in house...the leadership on this team should have squashed this early by noticing the signs and keeping Richie in check.....they didn't now the entire league will pay for it, along with college and high school teams......

Well said sir

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I'm learning more and more in my 32 years on this earth that it's best not to question the way the world works, you will only give yourself an aneurysm. It is what it is.
 
So you folks are down to attacking the Patsies and Jets???
And there goes human nature. Just wait to we see all the human nature play out with Martin, Cog. There is a lot of mud about to be thrown.
 
Come on Fin fans....this is our scandal, man up and stop pointing at other teams scandals.....I live in Mass and that Hernandez story was huge and still is and the trial hasn't even started yet...that was an individual who murdered people in the off season...blame Hernandez and no one else......

What we are dealing with here is the alpha male syndrome gone to far and everyone who's been bullied or disrespected by a football player is moving in for the kill, the dolphin messed up by letting this get out in public by not fixing it in house...the leadership on this team should have squashed this early by noticing the signs and keeping Richie in check.....they didn't now the entire league will pay for it, along with college and high school teams......
I have and do man up, and here's the difference; In one scandal a dude got killed.

In one scandal, a dude got his feelings hurt.
 
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