Crazy idea to fix the Running Back situation......

[ojmcduffy]

oh damn did ray rice get in trouble. I must have missed it. you would think there would be some form of media coverage about it.........lol

 

[jason_taylor]

Actually, that's exactly what you just did. You're trying to justify it. "not that punching her like that...". Really?! So how should he have punched her? And that's only an instinctive reaction for a weak minded fool.



It's a privilege to play; not a right. The scumbag is still walking away with 5 million that was guaranteed in his contract. You're sympathy is pathetic.



You're either ill-informed or mentally ill. These photos are from a week later:

Why? Because you could get away with such things? I grew up in the same times and you're stance is warped and disturbingly disgusting.

Yeah i got a hickory around my ass and leggs when i was growing up ,and im glad i did it made me a better person , this came from my grandpaw when he took us in after my mom and dad got divorced , but i remember when i was only 4 years old my mom was prego with my brother , and i knocked over the salt shaker at the eating table and my mom got after me , i ran up a tree , and she started climbing up after me calling me little bastards and such and said if i come up after you it will be worse , so i started down crying and when she got with in reach , she grabbed me by the hair of the head and yanked me out of the tree and when she got down she stomped me till i puked blood , NOW THATS CHILD ABUSE , MY Grandpaw and Grandmaw took me and my 3 brothers in and raised us , IF kids got the hickory a little more now a days the prisons and jails wouldnt have as many young kids in it as it dose .

 

[LDaniel7]

Did you consult NYjunc before posting this one? Way to spin it in a feeble attempt to detract from the actual topic of conversation.

"Over here, over here! Look REAL VIOLENCE over here!". Start another thread in the political forum if you wish, but don't pretend as though your ignorant views on this subject are not something to be ridiculed and mocked by being distastefully weak.

All the meanwhile you continue to downplay the NFL domestic violence issue in a backhand manner. If you truly cared about the issues you stated you would also display a certain amount of decency for the injustices of domestic violence being discussed. Instead you're to busy trying to hide your character deficiencies, in what I can only hope is some amount of shame you feel. Try again.

Note: Edited in light of a PM that Sons sent describing why he's concerned on this issue.

 

[NY8123]

That's fine with me. The NFL's updated domestic violence policy is more than fair and gives them a second chance anyways. The reason Ray Rice should not return is more a football decision than that of any ridiculous appeal process.

So the policy should also extend to the NFL employees and executives as well as the owners, it is going to be an interesting league in five years time.

So Ray is given a second chance based upon the NFL police but he isn't based upon the principle surrounding his case, interesting. You do see the failed logic here correct? It is either black or white now, the problem is the gray area that the NFL lived in and with all the scrutiny you are now forced to make it black or white.

Removing the gray area is going to be an interesting event for the NFL regarding its policies. It also has far reaching implications on more than just NFL players as this involves the corporate aspect as well. It will be interesting to see if actors, politicians, reporters, etc..get held to the same accountability standards in the future, after-all those people also influence public perception and should be held to the same level of accountability.

 

[whizafriz]

It also has far reaching implications on more than just NFL players as this involves the corporate aspect as well. It will be interesting to see if actors, politicians, reporters, etc..get held to the same accountability standards in the future, after-all those people also influence public perception and should be held to the same level of accountability.

Was this stated or implied anywhere? Somehow I personally don't see the exact same kind of punishment applicable to people not related to the actual teams personnel (such as reporters, analysts, owners, etc.)

I think if an owner commits domestic violence (especially 2 cases), we're going to see a 3-month long media circus of what should happen to this person, because I'd really doubt it follows the 6 game suspension / banned for life policy. Goodell will have people in his ear changing the rules for them.

 

[NY8123]

Was this stated or implied anywhere? Somehow I personally don't see the exact same kind of punishment applicable to people not related to the actual teams personnel (such as reporters, analysts, owners, etc.)

I think if an owner commits domestic violence (especially 2 cases), we're going to see a 3-month long media circus of what should happen to this person, because I'd really doubt it follows the 6 game suspension / banned for life policy. Goodell will have people in his ear changing the rules for them.

It doesn't need to be stated, the NFL is a corporation so by default it most certainly involves a private corporation and its polices. My corporation offers all sorts of help for drug addiction, alcohol addiction, physical and mental abuse, metal health etc...all of those things can be enablers that sometimes cause violence and abuse. Very rarely is a person fired if there is a true problem at the root of the event, generally they are offered help to overcome their issues and given a chance to redeem themselves. Of course in the most severe of cases where people are jailed for their offense a firing is generally in order since you can't perform your job and the offense is a felony which is grounds for dismissal at most companies and not part of their value system.

So my bigger point here is that yes Ray Rice did a horrible act but as his wife and the court system point out, yes the act itself was heinous but the context of his act was framed by his life which was clean therefore we give you a lenient sentence and said "shape up Ray this is your second chance, if there is a next time you go to jail", the NFL needs to offer him the help he needs as a corporation to make the most of his second chance and not ostracize him from the NFL because of the act.

My point here isn't the defense for Ray Rice, he did it and now it is time to pay and be a man about it. My point here is the media and press forcing a resolution on someone or something based upon their perception of what justice should be and not what the actual justice system says it should be. Another valuable lesson to take away is, the NFL is a corporation, we hold the power of change over those corporations in terms of our spending buck, it doesn't just have to be the furtherment of domestic violence awayness it can by the furtherment of so many other great cause as well, environment protection, pollution control, resource management, education, homeless, child abuse all of these things can be affect just as greatly as the people that made the NFL take action in regard to domestic violence.

 

[whizafriz]

It doesn't need to be stated, the NFL is a corporation so by default it most certainly involves a private corporation and its polices.

Isn't this the root of all the problems the NFL faces today? Incidents that arise, and the NFL's policies don't have clear, stated guidelines on who gets what punishment for what act, consistently? I think we saw that with Jim Irsay, it took a long while for him to get served his punishment, probably because the NFL didn't have a guideline to follow on how to reprimand owners.

I think the more the NFL continues to operate as a "we'll get to that bridge when we cross it" mentality, the more media uprisings we're going to see. Guidelines need to be set in place for all governed personnel, coaches, owners, reporters, trainers, GM's. It needs to be made clear that whatever position you hold in the NFL, there is an applicable punishment for you should you break a rule, and it should remain consistent. Maybe they have made these rules, maybe I'm out of the loop, but setting these rules in stone is what is going to make the NFL a more respected league.

 

[psfign]

You'd run away like a little girl. That aside, and since you missed the point, here it is again:

Your absolute: "REAL MEN DON'T HIT WOMEN. SIMPLE AS THAT."

My point: don't make absolutes like that because if you had to save your life by hitting ANYONE who had your life in danger with a knife, gun, whatever, you would. If you had to and there was no escape your survival instinct would kick in and you'd hit anyone, male or female, to save your skin. That was the point Sherlock, not Solange Knowles. Put another way, stop with the bull**** dumbass macho absolutes, they make you look like a fool.

This is the dumbest **** I've seen. Your points are obvious, smart guy. If someone tells you, 'Ugh, I hate hotdogs! I'd never eat a hotdog!', Are you the guy the replies with, 'What if someone had a gun to your head and forced you to eat the hotdog!?' Well no **** sherlock!

The point stands that real men dont hit women! Of course anyone would if they were threatening your life with a weapon! Goes without saying!

 

[jim1]

This is the dumbest **** I've seen. Your points are obvious, smart guy. If someone tells you, 'Ugh, I hate hotdogs! I'd never eat a hotdog!', Are you the guy the replies with, 'What if someone had a gun to your head and forced you to eat the hotdog!?' Well no **** sherlock!

The point stands that real men dont hit women! Of course anyone would if they were threatening your life with a weapon! Goes without saying!

That's why people shouldn't use absolutes, Sherlock. Thanks for confirming that there are situations in which you would hit a woman, which I already knew of course. Other than that, feel free to get bent.

 

[psfign]

That's why people shouldn't use absolutes, Sherlock. Thanks for confirming that there are situations in which you would hit a woman, which I already knew of course. Other than that, free to get bent.

There was reason to point that out. It's like you just wanted to stir **** up with your non-sense. Congrats! You confirmed the absolute obvious. Thanks for wasting all our time with this bull**** of yours. :brewskis:

 

[jim1]

There was reason to point that out. It's like you just wanted to stir **** up with your non-sense. Congrats! You confirmed the absolute obvious. Thanks for wasting all our time with this bull**** of yours. :brewskis:

It's not nonsense. Rice was being attacked by his wife in an elevator and reacted- above and beyond that he very much overreacted. But given the circumstances I disagree with his punishment, the media's assasination of his character AND SO DOES HIS WIFE. There are any number of situations that a man can be in as per being attacked- by a man, woman, anyone. WIth a knife, gun, bat or just plain attacked- you don't know how you're going to respond. That's why I have very little interest in pseudo macho/tough guy internet posturing on the subject- save your breath for the real thing instead of electronically puffing out your chest- no one gives a ****.

At the same time a whole culture of women like Solange Knowles can attack men with impunity, while Ray Rice is roasted over a fire while his wife protests the punishment. Strange days.

 

[psfign]

It's not nonsense. Rice was being attacked by his wife in an elevator and reacted- above and beyond that he very much overreacted. But given the circumstances I disagree with his punishment, the media's assasination of his character AND SO DOES HIS WIFE. There are any number of situations that a man can be in as per being attacked- by a man, woman, anyone. WIth a knife, gun, bat or just plain attacked- you don't know how you're going to respond. That's why I have very little interest in pseudo mach/tough guy internet posturing on the subject- save your breath for the real thing instead of electronically puffing out your chest- no one give a ****.

At the same time, a whole culture of women like Solange Knowles can attack men with impunity, while Ray Rice is roasted over a fire while his wife protests the punishment. Strange days.

We obviously disagree. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[sm0kinfins]

I'd give Ray Rice a chance. He'd definitely fix the RB situation.

And those people judging him, smh. I'm going w. Janay on this one -- if people really cared about HER and not making a political point, they'd help Ray work and rehabilitate.

Instead, it's all about their preconceived political agenda.

Violence against women, really? Is that what it is? Then why do 99 percent of the people hating on Ray Rice also support Islam? Where not just slapping, but honor killing and raping for "point proving" is in vogue.

Please. It's all politics.

Free Ray Rice. Listen to Janay.

LD

Soooooo much stupid in one post. Seriously guy... Just... No.

 

[sm0kinfins]

Does anyone bother to notice that in the elevator video Rice's wife was in the process of attacking him? To me it looked like an instinctive reaction on his part- not that punching her like that was justified, but at the same time I don't think that Rice being metaphorically taken out behind the barn and shot was justified. He lost his job, his career in in serious question, his reputation is shot and his wife is actually pissed as all hell because of that. I've heard it said that she's furious at the media only because she's traumatized by the violence, and I have to shake my head at that- she's pissed because a moment of violence, part of which shows her as the aggressor, was captured on film and the resulting publicity is ruining her life along with her husband's, financially and otherwise.

We really do live in a take-down culture, and most are perfectly happy to pile on. Adrian Peterson hit his kid with a stick- not that I'm a big fan of that, but that has been a common punishment for oh, about the last few thousand years. You can call it a stick or twitch if you live in the country, whatever. I saw the photos- his kid was hit with the twitch behind the knee and he had a scratch- a scratch, not a gaping wound that needed stitches or anything like that- a freaking scratch. And now Peterson is been dismissed from the team, put on the exempt list. Because his kid has a scratch on the back of his leg from a fairly common punishment that existed before this ditzy age that we find ourselves in. And that is in fact the world that we live in- do something wrong, have it caught on camera and it will spread like a virus through twitter and the internet, and you, too, can be taken out behind the barn and shot. It really was a lot better in the 70's and 80's than this crapfest that we're living in now, and that's a shame. Post 9/11 life and uber political correctness are for the birds compared to the way that things used to be.

Please promise me you won't reproduce.

 

[jim1]

Please promise me you won't reproduce.

Coming from a moron like you that doesn't mean a whole lot.