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To those who say that we should have faith in Saban's picks, why bother posting positives?

Shouldn't every post just be "In Saban we trust. Another great pick"?

Well, that's not a great comparison since pretty much most parts do say that.

My main problem with our first round pick is that two other teams thought their was a better pick at safety out there. Or, if you prefer to think of Allen as a CB, another team felt there was a better CB out there.

From here we go to another common dismissal of people who question the draft picks: "You aren't professionals, therefore your views aren't worth anything." Yet we have an example of professionals in Oakland, Buffalo and Denver who feel that Allen is not the best pick at DB in the draft.

The injury history may not be a problem, and sure it's nice to have coachable players. But where is it written that the most physically talented and explosive player can't be injury free, coachable, and the always mentioned "Saban-type" of players.

Moving on to the second pick in our draft, what's the deal with Stone Hands McSlow? Okay, that was obviously a joke, but I thought Daunte was going to improve our vertical passing game with his armstrong. Hagan might not have dropsies as bad as he did in the highest pressure game of his career thus far, but there's no cure for a lack of speed. As many on this board have said, you can't coach speed.

Finally we come to our 4th round pick, Toledo. There are only 5 spots on the offensive line, right? Didn't we sign a bevy of free agents at that position, or are they all going to be training camp fodder?

Don't get me wrong, all of these picks might pan out, but they all have some degree of questions to them and are decidedly unexciting in addition to the other issues. People who question picks are as much Dolphin fans as those who bank on a coach's previous success and wait to question them until there's an Eddie Moore-like pick.
 
If you look at Saban's drafting he picks quality people high then gambles on the more "interesting" talents later seems to have worked in Boston recently or am I wrong?
 
erralyn said:
To those who say that we should have faith in Saban's picks, why bother posting positives?

Shouldn't every post just be "In Saban we trust. Another great pick"?

Well, that's not a great comparison since pretty much most parts do say that.

My main problem with our first round pick is that two other teams thought their was a better pick at safety out there. Or, if you prefer to think of Allen as a CB, another team felt there was a better CB out there.

From here we go to another common dismissal of people who question the draft picks: "You aren't professionals, therefore your views aren't worth anything." Yet we have an example of professionals in Oakland, Buffalo and Denver who feel that Allen is not the best pick at DB in the draft.

The injury history may not be a problem, and sure it's nice to have coachable players. But where is it written that the most physically talented and explosive player can't be injury free, coachable, and the always mentioned "Saban-type" of players.

Moving on to the second pick in our draft, what's the deal with Stone Hands McSlow? Okay, that was obviously a joke, but I thought Daunte was going to improve our vertical passing game with his armstrong. Hagan might not have dropsies as bad as he did in the highest pressure game of his career thus far, but there's no cure for a lack of speed. As many on this board have said, you can't coach speed.

Finally we come to our 4th round pick, Toledo. There are only 5 spots on the offensive line, right? Didn't we sign a bevy of free agents at that position, or are they all going to be training camp fodder?

Don't get me wrong, all of these picks might pan out, but they all have some degree of questions to them and are decidedly unexciting in addition to the other issues. People who question picks are as much Dolphin fans as those who bank on a coach's previous success and wait to question them until there's an Eddie Moore-like pick.


None of those teams know Allen like Nick..Period..
 
The whole basis for us being tired of people slamming the picks is that you people (me included) know about 1% of what Saban knows. So how are you a better judge than he is?
 
No one is saying Allen was the best pick in the draft. He was just the best player for our system available with the 16th pick, and I think Saban knows that.
 
I may not be

a better judge of talent than Saban. But how about the Denver, Oakland, and Bills front office? Those are all professionals, and yes they've all made bad decisions before, but they have people working year round on the draft.

Let people slam the picks. Saban isn't above criticism and their points on all 3 of the picks thus far have some validity. This was a pick we settled for, being the last one of Saban's top tier players left on the board at 16. It may turn out well, but there are questions to it.
 
I have no problem with criticism, I have a problem with people criticizing players they've never seen, or claiming that the entire draft was a failure. How do you do that?

How do you criticize the coaching staff for leaving something that you feel is value on the board, when they clearly feel they got better value? They've seen far more of every single one of these players than we'll ever see.

People claim to trust this coaching staff, they saw what happened last year, yet they act like this is a travesty of a draft for us. How do you do that? Criticsm is one thing, but it can go much too far...
 
You must have missed the fact that Hagan caught 94% of his passes at ASU and ran a 4.46 at the Combine.

Jesus. Some people were just born thick. Miami must have the biggest bunch of whining, fickle fans I have ever come across.

90% of people that post at FH are R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. 2% actually know who Joe Toledo is and 1% have watched him play. The majority of people only want to sign players they see on SportsCentre.

Very sad and the original point about '2 teams thought safeties were better'......what does that mean? If you have the last pick in the draft and you take a WR and 4 other receivers have been drafed previously, does that make it a bad pick??
 
Dude your argument is baseless! How can you base your draft opinion on what other teams do? There are tons of players that have been drafted that haven't panned out. There are tons of players drafted late that have panned out. By your argument, Brady was a terrible selection because every team passed on him for 4+ rounds. Or how about Polamalu? He also was drafted in the teens. With your reasoning Pittsburgh was dumb for drafting him because 15 other teams passed on him right? I don't care if you slam picks but please make a relevent argument. BTW, the Billsdraft is being rated by experts as suspect at best!
 
Noodleman said:
Dude your argument is baseless! How can you base your draft opinion on what other teams do? There are tons of players that have been drafted that haven't panned out. There are tons of players drafted late that have panned out. By your argument, Brady was a terrible selection because every team passed on him for 4+ rounds. Or how about Polamalu? He also was drafted in the teens. With your reasoning Pittsburgh was dumb for drafting him because 15 other teams passed on him right? I don't care if you slam picks but please make a relevent argument. BTW, the Billsdraft is being rated by experts as suspect at best!

I have disagreed with you in the past and traded insults with you but I have to say that I totally agree with you on this one, and a point I will make is that just because a player has been noted as a popular high draft pick does not mean they will work out in the NFL. Also certain players may be good at their position but may not be good in the Dolphins scheme.:dolphins::dolphins::dolphins::dolphins:
 
erralyn said:
To those who say that we should have faith in Saban's picks, why bother posting positives?

Shouldn't every post just be "In Saban we trust. Another great pick"?

Well, that's not a great comparison since pretty much most parts do say that.

My main problem with our first round pick is that two other teams thought their was a better pick at safety out there. Or, if you prefer to think of Allen as a CB, another team felt there was a better CB out there.

From here we go to another common dismissal of people who question the draft picks: "You aren't professionals, therefore your views aren't worth anything." Yet we have an example of professionals in Oakland, Buffalo and Denver who feel that Allen is not the best pick at DB in the draft

The injury history may not be a problem, and sure it's nice to have coachable players. But where is it written that the most physically talented and explosive player can't be injury free, coachable, and the always mentioned "Saban-type" of players.

Moving on to the second pick in our draft, what's the deal with Stone Hands McSlow? Okay, that was obviously a joke, but I thought Daunte was going to improve our vertical passing game with his armstrong. Hagan might not have dropsies as bad as he did in the highest pressure game of his career thus far, but there's no cure for a lack of speed. As many on this board have said, you can't coach speed.

Finally we come to our 4th round pick, Toledo. There are only 5 spots on the offensive line, right? Didn't we sign a bevy of free agents at that position, or are they all going to be training camp fodder?

Don't get me wrong, all of these picks might pan out, but they all have some degree of questions to them and are decidedly unexciting in addition to the other issues. People who question picks are as much Dolphin fans as those who bank on a coach's previous success and wait to question them until there's an Eddie Moore-like pick.



Boomer and KB know more about the draft than any one of us, and I'LL VALUE THEIR OPINION MORE THAN THE GOOF BALLs ON HERE!
 
no one knows who will work out and who will bust. absolutely no one on planet earth. get it? the more you think you know the dumber you are.
 
I trust Nick's judgement and feel like our picks will do well and help this team. BUT, I will say this: If Wannstedt had made some of these selections, people would be calling for his head. Don't get me wrong, there is no comparison between Saban and Wanny, but you guys know what I mean. I have scratched my head over the picks a little, but they have grown on me. I think the original poster is simply saying that, even though we all like Saban, there is nothing wrong with questioning him. It gets a bit disgusting watching folks slobber all over everything Saban does. NOONE is perfect. Not even Saban.
 
Boomer said:
You must have missed the fact that Hagan caught 94% of his passes at ASU and ran a 4.46 at the Combine.

Jesus. Some people were just born thick. Miami must have the biggest bunch of whining, fickle fans I have ever come across.

90% of people that post at FH are R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. 2% actually know who Joe Toledo is and 1% have watched him play. The majority of people only want to sign players they see on SportsCentre.

Very sad and the original point about '2 teams thought safeties were better'......what does that mean? If you have the last pick in the draft and you take a WR and 4 other receivers have been drafed previously, does that make it a bad pick??
:sidelol: Good post. To bad it is also the truth.
 
SCall13 said:
I will say this: If Wannstedt had made some of these selections, people would be calling for his head.

I don't get why. We needed help in the secondary, another wideout, and depth on the O-Line. We got it. Where's the problem?
 
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