Cultural Differences.....

[Gareth1213]

Coming from the UK I have a very different angle on the CPep / Joey debate.

In sports such as rugby or football (Soccer to you all!) we do not have the concept of 'Starter' rather the team is picked on a game by game basis allowing the coach to pick specific tactics (and players to suit) to beat any given opposition or rest out of form players.

Right now the fins offense is struggling. If you accept the titans and Texans to be two of the worst teams in the NFL at present our offense has REALLY struggled. So, sadly, we can't expect them to do well against the Pats.

Now Daunte is a big part of the Offense, It's not all his fault but some of it definately is. He's taken sacks unnecessarily by holding on when he should be throwing it away (again only some are down to him), and he's often going for the easy 5 yard completion when more is needed.

So how to change the offense? well QB is the most significant position in the Offense in terms of decision making and the offense is not functioning. We know that. So why not try Harrington, It might work or it might not, but surely the goal is to win. The Offense as it is will not beat the pats (oh, how i wish it would) and probably won't be able to put points on the board against the Jets - so season over........

The fins have the means to change the Offense. There is no certainty it will be better or worse, we just know it isn't getting it done.

So my question is, why stick with a 'Starter' just because of the concept of a guy picked before the season started as being better when that better proves to still be poor?

What is the upside of having Starters ? Continuity of Poor performance isn't a worthwhile benefit

 

[zonk4ever]

you're making way too much sense. the reason that CPEP continues to start is the "hope" that the offense will finally start to jell with him in. And the 50 million, the 2nd round draft pick, the Brees vs. Daunte, the preseason hype, the coaches ability to make good personnel decisions, all become non-issues instead of the festering wounds they are now.

 

[SoDakDolfan]

I've played rugby and soccer as well as football. Some of what you say makes sense, but there is a difference. In football your QB has to develop a chemistry with your receivers, running back and o-line. You can't do that if you're switching that position around on a regular basis, i.e. you can't pick each week which QB you think will do better against a certain opponent.

However, the main point of your thread is still valid. The current system has not be functioning well. Is it time to shake it up by switching QB's? I wish I knew. I like Daunta's measurables better, but I think Joey might be better right now. At least until Culpepper is 100% physically and mentally.

 

[Brad528]

The reason CPEP is still starting is because he is a better qb even how he is playing now. Saban does the same judging as your Soccer coach and sees the same thing every week which is why Joey is on the bench. The whole thing about starting him just cause he was chosen to start is just your opinion on why you think he is still starting. If Joey gave our team a better chance to win week after week then you could bet your house he would be the starter.

 

[Mr. Pink]

The reason CPEP is still starting is because he is a better qb even how he is playing now. Saban does the same judging as your Soccer coach and sees the same thing every week which is why Joey is on the bench. The whole thing about starting him just cause he was chosen to start is just your opinion on why you think he is still starting. If Joey gave our team a better chance to win week after week then you could bet your house he would be the starter.

If you believe that political considerations play no role in the starting lineup each week, then you are delusional, my friend.

 

[Phanatical]

Coming from the UK I have a very different angle on the CPep / Joey debate.

In sports such as rugby or football (Soccer to you all!) we do not have the concept of 'Starter' rather the team is picked on a game by game basis allowing the coach to pick specific tactics (and players to suit) to beat any given opposition or rest out of form players.

Right now the fins offense is struggling. If you accept the titans and Texans to be two of the worst teams in the NFL at present our offense has REALLY struggled. So, sadly, we can't expect them to do well against the Pats.

Now Daunte is a big part of the Offense, It's not all his fault but some of it definately is. He's taken sacks unnecessarily by holding on when he should be throwing it away (again only some are down to him), and he's often going for the easy 5 yard completion when more is needed.

So how to change the offense? well QB is the most significant position in the Offense in terms of decision making and the offense is not functioning. We know that. So why not try Harrington, It might work or it might not, but surely the goal is to win. The Offense as it is will not beat the pats (oh, how i wish it would) and probably won't be able to put points on the board against the Jets - so season over........

The fins have the means to change the Offense. There is no certainty it will be better or worse, we just know it isn't getting it done.

So my question is, why stick with a 'Starter' just because of the concept of a guy picked before the season started as being better when that better proves to still be poor?

What is the upside of having Starters ? Continuity of Poor performance isn't a worthwhile benefit

Nice post, I agree 100%.

 

[Gareth1213]

Thanks for your thoughts guys. It may all be down to the specialisation in AF, but my belief is that teams and their functioning are not about individual abilities but rather blends of abilities e.g. you can have the best 100 metres runner on the planet but if he can't hand over a baton he'll be useless for your relay.

It's taken me a while to get back to the board, something due to the 5 hour lunch at the pub, and just seen that Harringtons starting so maybe we'll see how much of my argument makes sense.....does Harrington blend better with the offense?