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I by no means think huzenga was a great owner but one thing you could say when he looked for a coach he always got his first choice. Not once did we end up being bridesmaids in getting his man. I guess he was just a bettter closer than Ross. Two years in a row we lost out on the coach we wanted to the liked of the Rams and 49ers. I guess also Irleand has to take some fo the blame in this also since he has been there to help make it happen.
 
No doubt in my mind Huizenga would have given him complete control over personnel
 
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and those first choices worked out how well exactly?
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Wasnt making a case of results , just saying that Huzienga was able to hire the coach that he had the most belief in running his franchise. Thats not a guarantee of results but its an indicator of how good you are at closing a deal and getting the people on board that you want. I will say that Jimmy johnson and dave Wannstadt over all were pretty damn successful compared to what we have done since ross took over full ownership(3 losing seasons as majority owner). To put that in perspective thats the same amount of losing seasons we had the total time Huzienga was majority owner over 13 seasons.
 
Huizenga*

Was getting his first choice always the best? Jimmy Johnson? Dave Wannstedt? Nick Saban? Cam Cameron? Bill Parcells? Yeah, Huizenga was so much better than Ross who hasn't even made his first hire yet.:err:

Ross chased Harbaugh last year and Fisher this year. He lost out on both, didn't close, didn't give them the key to the city, etc. Unlike Huizenga, Ross seems to have boundaries and self respect and doesn't get pushed around. Saban wanted full control and Huizenga not only gave it to him, he probably also offered to wash his car and watch the kids on the weekend. Ross entered this search with how he wants HIS team to be structured and Fisher tried to come to a deal that went beyond what Ross felt was right for this team and its future, and even if he turns out to be wrong, you have to respect that. He didn't let Fisher push him over and take control of the team, he stuck to his guns. Yes it cost him Fisher, but he can still put in place the structure he wanted all along.

If this was Huizenga, you know that he would have folded to Fisher's demands and gave him everything he wanted and probably more. Basically, would have put all his chips on one person and would have sank or swam with him that could have damaged this team the way Saban and others did. Fisher is a good coach, a guy I wanted and hoped we could get. He was the the best veteran coach on the market and would have given them instant credibility. But this is not a Bill Cowher type of coach, and it has been mentioned a nauseating amount of times how he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years.

Ross seems to have a better business mindset and isn't willing to cave to the big name demands just because they are the big name. In the long run, it might be better for this team. Let's compare Huizenga's hires to Ross' hires once Ross actually makes one.
 
Nublar7 said:
Huizenga*

Was getting his first choice always the best? Jimmy Johnson? Dave Wannstedt? Nick Saban? Cam Cameron? Bill Parcells? Yeah, Huizenga was so much better than Ross who hasn't even made his first hire yet.:err:

Ross chased Harbaugh last year and Fisher this year. He lost out on both, didn't close, didn't give them the key to the city, etc. Unlike Huizenga, Ross seems to have boundaries and self respect and doesn't get pushed around. Saban wanted full control and Huizenga not only gave it to him, he probably also offered to wash his car and watch the kids on the weekend. Ross entered this search with how he wants HIS team to be structured and Fisher tried to come to a deal that went beyond what Ross felt was right for this team and its future, and even if he turns out to be wrong, you have to respect that. He didn't let Fisher push him over and take control of the team, he stuck to his guns. Yes it cost him Fisher, but he can still put in place the structure he wanted all along.

If this was Huizenga, you know that he would have folded to Fisher's demands and gave him everything he wanted and probably more. Basically, would have put all his chips on one person and would have sank or swam with him that could have damaged this team the way Saban did. Fisher is a good coach, a guy I wanted and hoped we could get. He was the the best veteran coach on the market and would have given them instant credibility. But this is not a Bill Cowher type of coach, and it has been mentioned a nauseating amount of times how he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years.

Ross seems to have a better business mindset and isn't willing to cave to the big name demands just because they are the big name. In the long run, it might be better for this team. Let's compare Huizenga's hires to Ross' hires once Ross actually makes one.
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My point was Ross has been 0-2 trying to get the coach he actually wanted and huzienga always got the coach he wanted. dont give me this crap about better business mindset when he goes and tries to hire a coach while he still had a coach therefore making him go back to sparano supposedly give him more power in personel and an undeserved extension. I would compare the hires but so far ross just keeps striking out when he makes a choice.
 
Also nubs what is this giving away the key crap, Harbaugh did not choose his gm in San Francisco.
 
Dlockz:

I love you man, but you are way off this time. Nublar7 is spot on.
 
dlockz said:
Also nubs what is this giving away the key crap, Harbaugh did not choose his gm in San Francisco.
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It was in reference to what Huizenga would have done. He threw money and power at coaches and didn't think twice about the consequences.

Ross chased the big names, and yes is 0-2. Would it have been better to just go into the search and hire someone lower on the scale like a Mike Mularkey without taking a risk on the biggest prize on the market? Would Ross be getting bashed if he did that and showed no interest in Fisher because there was a chance he might not get him?

The Jaguars took no risk in their search. The Buccaneers only looked a coordinators and a veteran NFL head coach in Marty Schottenheimer(who no one else has interest in). The Chiefs stayed in house. Raiders are mostly looking at Moss, the Green Bay assistant. Only the Rams and Dolphins shot for the stars and when there is only one "star" on the market obviously there is going to be only one winner and one loser. Unfortunately Miami is on the losing side, but they took a risk the other openings didn't even bat an eye at.

I am disappointed that Fisher is not our coach. I personally would have wished Ross would have bent on his structure plans and fit Fisher in. It didn't happen, and it bums me out. With that said, this is not the darkest day in Dolphins history. Ross can still get a quality head coach, we just might not know for sure for a year or two.
 
Phanatical said:
Dlockz:

I love you man, but you are way off this time. Nublar7 is spot on.
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spot on about what. My point and only point was for good or bad huzienga was able to hire the people he wanted while Ross hasnt been able to get the coach he wanted either year. He then chose to give an extension and more power to a guy that he ended up firing the very same year. So in actually Ross has chosen a coach and it was Sparano last year, he could have fired him nobody held a gun to his head and said lets keep this guy through three staright losing sasons. These owners and staff supposedly do their due diligence and people think its a good thing that the one they did the homework on and thought was the best choice they couldnt get and now more due diligence will go on and they will take their runner up choice.
 
Nublar7 said:
Huizenga*

Was getting his first choice always the best? Jimmy Johnson? Dave Wannstedt? Nick Saban? Cam Cameron? Bill Parcells? Yeah, Huizenga was so much better than Ross who hasn't even made his first hire yet.:err:

Ross chased Harbaugh last year and Fisher this year. He lost out on both, didn't close, didn't give them the key to the city, etc. Unlike Huizenga, Ross seems to have boundaries and self respect and doesn't get pushed around. Saban wanted full control and Huizenga not only gave it to him, he probably also offered to wash his car and watch the kids on the weekend. Ross entered this search with how he wants HIS team to be structured and Fisher tried to come to a deal that went beyond what Ross felt was right for this team and its future, and even if he turns out to be wrong, you have to respect that. He didn't let Fisher push him over and take control of the team, he stuck to his guns. Yes it cost him Fisher, but he can still put in place the structure he wanted all along.

If this was Huizenga, you know that he would have folded to Fisher's demands and gave him everything he wanted and probably more. Basically, would have put all his chips on one person and would have sank or swam with him that could have damaged this team the way Saban and others did. Fisher is a good coach, a guy I wanted and hoped we could get. He was the the best veteran coach on the market and would have given them instant credibility. But this is not a Bill Cowher type of coach, and it has been mentioned a nauseating amount of times how he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years.

Ross seems to have a better business mindset and isn't willing to cave to the big name demands just because they are the big name. In the long run, it might be better for this team. Let's compare Huizenga's hires to Ross' hires once Ross actually makes one.
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why anyone would defend ross at this point is beyond me, you going to like being 0-7 again next year?
 
Nublar7 said:
It was in reference to what Huizenga would have done. He threw money and power at coaches and didn't think twice about the consequences.

Ross chased the big names, and yes is 0-2. Would it have been better to just go into the search and hire someone lower on the scale like a Mike Mularkey without taking a risk on the biggest prize on the market? Would Ross be getting bashed if he did that and showed no interest in Fisher because there was a chance he might not get him?

The Jaguars took no risk in their search. The Buccaneers only looked a coordinators and a veteran NFL head coach in Marty Schottenheimer(who no one else has interest in). The Chiefs stayed in house. Raiders are mostly looking at Moss, the Green Bay assistant. Only the Rams and Dolphins shot for the stars and when there is only one "star" on the market obviously there is going to be only one winner and one loser. Unfortunately Miami is on the losing side, but they took a risk the other openings didn't even bat an eye at.

I am disappointed that Fisher is not our coach. I personally would have wished Ross would have bent on his structure plans and fit Fisher in. It didn't happen, and it bums me out. With that said, this is not the darkest day in Dolphins history. Ross can still get a quality head coach, we just might not know for sure for a year or two.
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I love your comment lower on the scale choice like Mike Mularkey, i guess you forget we scheduled him for an interview and for all we know he might be the person that Ross and company would choose, its not like the other canidates have a better resume. Mularkey decided not to interview because at the interview in Jacksonville that lasted 7 hours they offered him their head coaching job.

Also what risk did we takle last year. we could have fired Sparano and actually did a coaching search but instead we get a a badly conducted attempt at a hire of harbaugh, one that was destined to fail and then decided hey there is nobody better than sparano out there lets extend him and give him more power.;
 
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dlockz said:
spot on about what. My point and only point was for good or bad huzienga was able to hire the people he wanted while Ross hasnt been able to get the coach he wanted either year. He then chose to give an extension and more power to a guy that he ended up firing the very same year. So in actually Ross has chosen a coach and it was Sparano last year, he could have fired him nobody held a gun to his head and said lets keep this guy through three staright losing sasons. These owners and staff supposedly do their due diligence and people think its a good thing that the one they did the homework on and thought was the best choice they couldnt get and now more due diligence will go on and they will take their runner up choice.
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You make some good points there, but your thread is titled "Current dolphin owner makes you appreciate huzenga". Not sure you supported that with your arguments and I think Nublar7 was kind of refuting that thread title with his critique where he is basically saying that getting the coach you target doesn't necessarily translate to making a good decision, thus, not necessarily a better owner. I agree more with him.
 
Nublar7 said:
Huizenga*

Was getting his first choice always the best? Jimmy Johnson? Dave Wannstedt? Nick Saban? Cam Cameron? Bill Parcells? Yeah, Huizenga was so much better than Ross who hasn't even made his first hire yet.:err:

Ross chased Harbaugh last year and Fisher this year. He lost out on both, didn't close, didn't give them the key to the city, etc. Unlike Huizenga, Ross seems to have boundaries and self respect and doesn't get pushed around. Saban wanted full control and Huizenga not only gave it to him, he probably also offered to wash his car and watch the kids on the weekend. Ross entered this search with how he wants HIS team to be structured and Fisher tried to come to a deal that went beyond what Ross felt was right for this team and its future, and even if he turns out to be wrong, you have to respect that. He didn't let Fisher push him over and take control of the team, he stuck to his guns. Yes it cost him Fisher, but he can still put in place the structure he wanted all along.

If this was Huizenga, you know that he would have folded to Fisher's demands and gave him everything he wanted and probably more. Basically, would have put all his chips on one person and would have sank or swam with him that could have damaged this team the way Saban and others did. Fisher is a good coach, a guy I wanted and hoped we could get. He was the the best veteran coach on the market and would have given them instant credibility. But this is not a Bill Cowher type of coach, and it has been mentioned a nauseating amount of times how he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years.

Ross seems to have a better business mindset and isn't willing to cave to the big name demands just because they are the big name. In the long run, it might be better for this team. Let's compare Huizenga's hires to Ross' hires once Ross actually makes one.
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The argument you seem to be making is that it's better not to get one's first choice.

This is laughable.

An owner has to have 1.) the correct judgement on who to hire, and 2.) the ability to land that person.

Ross seems to have good instincts about #1, pursuing both Harbaugh and Fisher the last two years. But he so far has completely failed at #2, each time stalling out at the goal line that is Jeff ****ing Ireland's ginger neck.

Whether the "wrong" guy is the first choice or the sixth choice doesn't matter. If they're the wrong guy they're the wrong guy. But the notion that it's somehow a blessing in disguise to not land one's first choice is a howler.

Why is it offered as a positive that Ross won't "cave" to a big name coach's demands? Why is it always assumed that the big name coach's demands are somehow silly or stupid? Why should we trust that a reptilian faced billionaire who has repeatedly demonstrated an appalling lack of common sense about the game of football has a better notion to run a football team than anyone, much less a top of the line football coach?

What Fisher wanted wasn't "complete control" like Saban or Wannstedt (or Belichick or Reid) had. What he wanted was perfectly reasonable. Ross shouldn't have had to "cave" on it at all. He should have recognized it was the smart thing to do. Only he's not smart enough to do that.

He was willing to let Fisher walk because he wouldn't give Jeff Ireland's power a haircut. There's literally no defending that.
 
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