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Current dolphin owner makes you appreciate huzenga

Shows how much of an impact an owner has on the team.

Huzenga hired Saban, gave him total control, then wanted Brees when we had a chance.

He let the 'football' guys (aka Nick Saban) handle it and we miss out on a future Hall of Famer.

Ross meddles in everything and no one wants to coach for him.

It may be awhile before Ross' reputation is restored.
 
72champagne said:
well ross was already behind the 8-ball as san francisco was harbaugh's dream job with his family situation and apparently fisher insisted on usurping his pet ireland, which wasn't going to happen. huizenga went after relatively much easier catches except for arguably jj.
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Saban was far from an easy hire.
 
dlockz said:
wel, is Ross any better he just stuck with his losing coach fro three years and gave him a friggin extension before he fired him lol
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Not saying he's better, but if he gets a coach I like here and a good QB, he already did more than the previous owner. This is his last chance. Losing Fisher wasn't a big deal.
 
imo, the reason Wayne always got his man is because he served up the entire organization on a platter. They got big money and total control. He did it three times and they all failed miserably. I can understand why people don't want that approach again
 
dlockz said:
I by no means think huzenga was a great owner but one thing you could say when he looked for a coach he always got his first choice. Not once did we end up being bridesmaids in getting his man. I guess he was just a bettter closer than Ross. Two years in a row we lost out on the coach we wanted to the liked of the Rams and 49ers. I guess also Irleand has to take some fo the blame in this also since he has been there to help make it happen.
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Ever since JJ turned lazy making both his jobs into a mockery and then foisting Wanny on The Garbageman, the empowering of our coaches by granting them veto power or full control over the front office has failed miserably: JJ, Wanny and Saban. The Garbageman wanted Brees despite the medicals, Saban deferred to the docs and took Culpecker (one of your favorites). Objectively speaking how did the owners hands off approach ultimately work out on that one?

Compare that with Ross: I know you wanted Orton; we fought about that and while the final verdict is out, looks like Tebow, a 7pt score for KC, 90% of the Broncos fans and most of us proved you wrong. Ross is the one who had to step in and protect Ireland from himself and ourself from signing him to a generous starter's salary. Would Wayne have done any more than stand bye just like he did cluelessly watching Wanny self implode for 2 years too long? You can bet your bottom dollar Ross would have pulled that trigger on a timely basis. One guy made his money and built his empire by financial wheeling and dealing, the other in an industry whose early days, and even now behind the veneer is characterized by extortion, strong arming and thuggery. One guy learned to be proactive and the other obviously just barely reactive.

IMO this is just an excuse to pile on Ross because he failed to get who he was after. There are some people preconditioned and predisposed, who, at this point would whine and moan in the same sort of expression of discontent if Ross did overpay for a mediocre coach and then gave him veto power over everyone else. Just another excuse to look for. :idk: And then there'd be folks like me who'd be complaining that we even wasted time and maybe search momentum going after a boring, unimaginative, run of the mill mediocre coach in the first place.

Wayne stood by and let JJ mishandle and abuse the greatest player in Fins history. That's indefensible and IMO while there's plenty more ammunition to use to make the case against him and for him being the genesis of the Fins decline, that fact alone makes him the most awful owner in franchise history. To compare him to Ross is like comparing water buffalo to a gazelle.
 
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rent this space said:
imo, the reason Wayne always got his man is because he served up the entire organization on a platter. They got big money and total control. He did it three times and they all failed miserably. I can understand why people don't want that approach again
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Jimmy Johnson or Wanny did not fail miserably in any way. They may not have won the big one but failure is Tony Sparano and his one winning season in 4 and Ross was in charge for three of those seasons.
 
Vaark said:
Ever since JJ turned lazy making both his jobs into a mockery and then foisting Wanny on The Garbageman, the empowering of our coaches by granting them veto power or full control over the front office has failed miserably: JJ, Wanny and Saban. The Garbageman wanted Brees despite the medicals, Saban deferred to the docs and took Culpecker (one of your favorites). Objectively speaking how did the owners hands off approach ultimately work out on that one?

Compare that with Ross: I know you wanted Orton; we fought about that and while the final verdict is out, looks like Tebow, a 7pt score for KC, 90% of the Broncos fans and most of us proved you wrong. Ross is the one who had to step in and protect Ireland from himself and ourself from signing him to a generous starter's salary. Would Wayne have done any more than stand bye just like he did cluelessly watching Wanny self implode for 2 years too long? You can bet your bottom dollar Ross would have pulled that trigger on a timely basis. One guy made his money and built his empire by financial wheeling and dealing, the other in an industry whose early days, and even now behind the veneer is characterized by extortion, strong arming and thuggery. One guy learned to be proactive and the other obviously just barely reactive.

IMO this is just an excuse to pile on Ross because he failed to get who he was after. There are some people preconditioned and predisposed, who, at this point would whine and moan in the same sort of expression of discontent if Ross did overpay for a mediocre coach and then gave him veto power over everyone else. Just another excuse to look for. :idk: And then there'd be folks like me who'd be complaining that we even wasted time and maybe search momentum going after a boring, unimaginative, run of the mill mediocre coach in the first place.

Wayne stood by and let JJ mishandle and abuse the greatest player in Fins history. That's indefensible and IMO while there's plenty more ammunition to use to make the case against him and for him being the genesis of the Fins decline, that fact alone makes him the most awful owner in franchise history. To compare him to Ross is like comparing water buffalo to a gazelle.
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Once again I was comparing how Huzenga was able to close the deal on the people he wanted and how Ross hasnt and believe me San Francisco did not have to give away kings to the kingdo0m to get Harbaugh. I hate Huzenga as an owner for him letting marino and shula get treated the way they did. In fact Im glad huzienga is gone, I just have seen nothing from Ross to suggest he is any better. The one thing I compared them in was getting the coaches they wanted and clearly Huzienga was superior. I can only judge Ross on three losing seasons of runnning the team . I can only judge him on chasing Harbaugh across the country and the only person that benefited from it was an undeservinf coach named Sparano. I can judge him on getting beat out for Fisher. We havent had a good owner since Joe Robbie.
 
I don't see either owner having much to be proud off. Huizeinga extended Wanny when he should have been kicked to the curb...Ross does the same with the more recent assclown in Sparano.

To Dlockz strict point Ross is 0-2. I don't fault Ross for missing out as much as the way the organization embarrassed themselves doing so. Last year was a bigger debacle when we go off a very public interview WHILE the current coach is still in place. Frankly, I don't think we really had a chance with Harbaugh as I believe location was very important to he and his family. SF was likely his only choice. Ideally, Ross and Ireland would not have embarrassed themselves and the franchise by not firing Sparano first.

I'm not upset we lost out on Fisher, but anyone with an ounce of respect for the organization would not give him a week to decide....OR if you believe the other rumor take a week to decide if will give in a set of demands. Bottom line is that if Ross had strong conviction for Ireland he would have passed on Fisher after reviewing his demands in a short time frame. I personally find it hard to believe...Real hard, that Ross has hitched the success of this franchise on the likes of Jeff Ireland but I guess that's the direction we've taken at the end of the day...err week.

Who knows....all is not lost. Maybe we find our coach and a franchise QB soon.....even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while. I gotta tell you though, I'm growing weary of these continuous kicks to the balls our organization supplies the fans for the last 10-15 years.
 
Vaark said:
Ever since JJ turned lazy making both his jobs into a mockery and then foisting Wanny on The Garbageman, the empowering of our coaches by granting them veto power or full control over the front office has failed miserably: JJ, Wanny and Saban. The Garbageman wanted Brees despite the medicals, Saban deferred to the docs and took Culpecker (one of your favorites). Objectively speaking how did the owners hands off approach ultimately work out on that one?

Compare that with Ross: I know you wanted Orton; we fought about that and while the final verdict is out, looks like Tebow, a 7pt score for KC, 90% of the Broncos fans and most of us proved you wrong. Ross is the one who had to step in and protect Ireland from himself and ourself from signing him to a generous starter's salary. Would Wayne have done any more than stand bye just like he did cluelessly watching Wanny self implode for 2 years too long? You can bet your bottom dollar Ross would have pulled that trigger on a timely basis. One guy made his money and built his empire by financial wheeling and dealing, the other in an industry whose early days, and even now behind the veneer is characterized by extortion, strong arming and thuggery. One guy learned to be proactive and the other obviously just barely reactive.

IMO this is just an excuse to pile on Ross because he failed to get who he was after. There are some people preconditioned and predisposed, who, at this point would whine and moan in the same sort of expression of discontent if Ross did overpay for a mediocre coach and then gave him veto power over everyone else. Just another excuse to look for. :idk: And then there'd be folks like me who'd be complaining that we even wasted time and maybe search momentum going after a boring, unimaginative, run of the mill mediocre coach in the first place.

Wayne stood by and let JJ mishandle and abuse the greatest player in Fins history. That's indefensible and IMO while there's plenty more ammunition to use to make the case against him and for him being the genesis of the Fins decline, that fact alone makes him the most awful owner in franchise history. To compare him to Ross is like comparing water buffalo to a gazelle.
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Also how do you figure that ross would have pulled the plug on wanny any earlier. He sat through three losing seasons with Sparano and gave the guy an extension, i think your delusional if you think he would have fired a coach that had a record 41-23 prior to his disasterous last season.

As for the Orton thing We will never truly know what would have happened had we traded for orton. I never advocated giving away the house for Orton. i would have been fine trading a third round pick and giving him solid money. He was bad in denver this year but played relatively well in KC in three meaningful games when he was given the chance beating two playoff teams and hanging the only loss on Green Bay. Next year who knows . Matt Moore played well this year , played like crap last year so you never know
 
dlockz said:
Also how do you figure that ross would have pulled the plug on wanny any earlier. He sat through three losing seasons with Sparano and gave the guy an extension, i think your delusional if you think he would have fired a coach that had a record 41-23 prior to his disasterous last season.

As for the Orton thing We will never truly know what would have happened had we traded for orton. I never advocated giving away the house for Orton. i would have been fine trading a third round pick and giving him solid money. He was bad in denver this year but played relatively well in KC in three meaningful games when he was given the chance beating two playoff teams and hanging the only loss on Green Bay. Next year who knows . Matt Moore played well this year , played like crap last year so you never know
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I completly agree with your original post. When WH targeted a guy, he would get him. Ross misses. That's what I got from your original post. Not sure why others want to read more into it. But that happens a lot here.
 
Where Ross effed up was when he went after Harbaugh, before firing TS. He should have fired TS after that season, not give him an extension. And once he gave him the extension, he should have put his full support behind TS all of this past season. When you do ish like that, no coach worth his salt would come into such a messy situation, (i.e. Cowher, or Gruden, staying in the booth and Fisher choosing St. Louis). If Ross had handled TS properly we probably would have had a shot at Cowher or Gruden (not that I like either one anyway, but they are considered a cut above Fisher)
 
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