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Curveball: How Does Rivers and Marino Compare?

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As a Charger fan and as a person that RESPECTS #13 a whole lot, one of our guys had written this comparison on Dan and Philip Rivers...please feel free to check it out.

We can be so fortunate out here in the west if Rivers can somewhat match the numbers that Dan put up --one can hope and pray.

As a disclaimer - by no way are we measuring Rivers next to Dan - he's got a LOOOOONG way to go before that...just some real interesting quotes from people in the industry. Please check it out and feel free to leave a comment.

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It’s a natural thing to do, comparing players from different eras. It’s part of what we do in order to develop-- in our mind’s eye-- a picture of what we might expect from a young prospect as he ascends the professional learning curve.

For about five years now, many football people who’ve observed Philip Rivers’ development agree that the North Carolina State alum’s football tool set most closely resembles that of Dan Marino, who came into the NFL 21 years ahead of Rivers.

A number of characteristics factor into this comparison, among them height (each of them 6’ 4â€Â), weight (Marino came into the league at 224 pounds, Rivers at 226), and slowness afoot (neither could complete a 5.0 second 40 yard dash without benefit of a jetpack on his back). The other unmistakable physical similarity between the two is the distinctive semi-sidearm motion and whip-like release.

However, as if often the case, closer scrutiny reveals more similarities… AND differences. Both played in FIVE college ‘Bowl’ games, and each compiled a 4-1 mark. When Marino concluded his college career, he ranked 4th, all-time, in TDs (79) and 5th in passing yardage (8,597). Twenty-one years later when Rivers’ college days concluded, he ranked 5th all-time in TDs with 95 (16 more than Marino), and 2nd in passing yardage with 13,582.

In Heisman Trophy balloting, Marino finished fourth in 1982, while Rivers finished seventh in 2003. In the 1983 draft, Dan Marino was one of SIX quarterbacks selected in the first round. In the minds of many, Dan was the second best of the six prospects taken, but he slipped down the board because of a rumor-- never completely substantiated-- that he had tested positive for marijuana at the combine workouts.

Dan ended up being selected 27th overall by the Miami Dolphins, who were coming off a loss in the Super Bowl only a couple of months before. I’d like to see the statistical analysis of how seldom it is that a Super Bowl participant is able to select a franchise quarterback in the ensuing draft!
Rivers, on the other hand, was somebody who’s ascension up the draft board came relatively late. Believed at the beginning of his senior season to likely be a 2nd – 4th round draft pick, Philip gradually made his way up the charts. He finally sent his draft rating into the stratosphere with a spectacular week of workouts at the Senior Bowl (where Marty Schottenheimer just happened to be coaching Rivers’ South squad), and subsequent Senior Bowl victory and MVP honors.

CONTINUE THE ARTICLE HERE
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/cfx/index.html
 
Well, it is of my opinion that Rivers has a lot to prove. Rivers looked good this year i will admit, but to equal marino he needs about ten more seasons to even equal him. I would say that Peyton Manning is closer, both extraordinary qbs, (best in the nfl) that just need more to win it all. NFL is a team game.
 
Without reading that... because its 4 in the morning over here, lol... Rivers is a great QB. As far as how he compares to Marino... he has a similar quick release... but its hard to compare the 2... because Rivers is still so inexperienced... and hasnt fully had the handcuffs taken off, since he has such an amazing RB to just hand off to.

I love Rivers though. I always thought he was the best QB in that draft (check my posts!). Talk about some serious rape on that trade. The Giants should have pressed charges...
 
Another possible difference ... weren't people questioning Rivers arm strength during the draft? Not saying the concerns were warranted ... but the fact that there were concerns. Was Marino's arm strength ever questioned? Not a rhetorical question I'm really asking.

If you want to look at pro careers, Rivers is having an excellent season but Rivers had the benefit of sitting for two years.

99% of my friends are charger fans, some admittedly new ones (I give them crap all the time, like "where were you 3 years ago). I kinda want them to be happy with a SB win but then I'll never hear the end of it, since I'm a very vocal Miami fan therefore I want to win one first!
 
I am a Long time Dolphin fan who just happens to live in Raleigh , NC. Not a big Wolfpack fan but took notice of Rivers when he was here. I could not help but notice he was a slinger like Marino with the ball but the thing he did most like Marino was see the field & make plays that kill the defense. Its almost like being a "Feel Player" in golf...You either have it or not...He has it.
 
He compares to Dan Marino by the throwing motion and his quick release.

But he still got a long way to go, Phillip Rivers does not look so hot anymore now that they have film of him. He has to make a ton of adjustment's in his game.

Dan Marino was high on Phillip Rivers on his short stay as the Dolphins VP. Philip was on the list of Quarterback's we should consider.
 
Career wise it's a bad comparison, Marino never had RB that could carry LT's jockstrap.

Better comparaison would be Big Ben.
 
Rivers has done good for his first year. But you must realize that LT carries that team; not Rivers so a lot of pressure is off him. kAll he has to do is make a few plays. With Gates, LT, VJ, and Parker, his job is soooooo easy. I think he is a good QB with an excellent surporting cast and a very good OC that makes him look great.
 
Thanks for reading the article guys.

As mentioned, we could be so lucky if Rivers has a career anywhere near what Marino has done and as also mentioned - by no means are we trying to match what Rivers has done this year...because he hasn't done anything yet. Hopefully and I pray that changes within the next couple of weeks :-)

What I've noticed about Philip that reminds me of Dan a lot is his ability to lead. PR commands that huddle and commands all his players. Yes, he has LaDainian as his back but I don't hold that against him. A player is only as good as his supporting cast.

One main thing I said about PR during the release of Drew Brees is that PR has "it" - what that "it" is hard to explain, but he has "it." He has the ability to lead the team downfield down by 6 with a minute and 30 seconds left...DB did not have that "it."

Also, he doesn't hand of all the time - he's got 3338 yards with 22TD's and 9 Ints.

I hope you guys don't mind if I take some of your replies and put them onthe site.
 
Well, it is of my opinion that Rivers has a lot to prove. Rivers looked good this year i will admit, but to equal marino he needs about ten more seasons to even equal him. I would say that Peyton Manning is closer, both extraordinary qbs, (best in the nfl) that just need more to win it all. NFL is a team game.

Manning had a bit more to work with than Marino. Then again, Manning isn't done. He's had a couple games where he wasn't bad but the rest of the team couldn't get it done. It is a team game, yet some people will say "Marino never won it all" or "Manning never won it all" when it requires so much more than just a quarterback. At the same time, a quarterback can have an awful game and the team can still win - see Roethlisberger last year. Thank Willie Parker, the defense, and the generally poor play of Seattle, but thank Roethlisberger last since the Steelers won in spite of him, not because.
 
Rivers has done good for his first year. But you must realize that LT carries that team; not Rivers so a lot of pressure is off him. kAll he has to do is make a few plays. With Gates, LT, VJ, and Parker, his job is soooooo easy. I think he is a good QB with an excellent surporting cast and a very good OC that makes him look great.


Hmm..interesting thought. I always thought what made PR a good QB was his ability to read the defense correctly. I believe that's what made Marino so great...it was very hard to scheme against Marino because he had the ability to KNOW THE DEFENSE that he was matching up against.

I've said this since the beginning of the season. As much as LT is having his MVP year. LT has been doing this for years. The difference this year is that the defense actually has to back up a little now to respect the pass.

There was an interview with John Lynch before our first game with them at Denver. He said after the game, "with Drew we could crash the line and force them to beat us downfield, with PR we had to back up from the LOS because there are throws he can make that Drew couldn't."

But as I've also mentioned, a player is only as good as his supporting casts. For example, ever wonder what Marino would be without Dupe and Clayton?
 
This guy should have his sports writing licensce revoked for even thinking about compairing Rivers to Marino. They are both 6'4 and in the 225 range. Ok, fine. But that's where the compairisons should end.

Rivers has had a pretty solid year, but he has also struggled this year dispite having the best RB in the league, one of the top 3 or 4 O-Lines in the league, one of the top 3 or 4 TEs in the league (who he has yet to figure out how to utilize), and one of the top defenses in the league.

Marino's stats from his first season may be some what simular, but who did Marino have around him? The Fins top rusher in Marino's rookie year was Andra Franklin.....................Me either. His top tight end was Joe Rose. :confused:

Other than Clayton and Duper, Marino had an average offense around him at best. (Sorry if that offends the Fin faithfull, but as an unbiased observer, that's how I see it) Rivers has the most SB ready team on BOTH sides of the ball in the NFL, and still didn't play like one of the best 5 QBs in the league. Pro-Bowl status not withstanding.


Sorry, but I reject the comparisons of Cutler to Elway, I reject the comparisons of Ronnie Brown to Jim Brown and I am rejecting the notion that Rivers has anything in common with Marino other than size and weight.
 
This guy should have his sports writing licensce revoked for even thinking about compairing Rivers to Marino. They are both 6'4 and in the 225 range. Ok, fine. But that's where the compairisons should end.

Rivers has had a pretty solid year, but he has also struggled this year dispite having the best RB in the league, one of the top 3 or 4 O-Lines in the league, one of the top 3 or 4 TEs in the league (who he has yet to figure out how to utilize), and one of the top defenses in the league.

Marino's stats from his first season may be some what simular, but who did Marino have around him? The Fins top rusher in Marino's rookie year was Andra Franklin.....................Me either. His top tight end was Joe Rose. :confused:

Other than Clayton and Duper, Marino had an average offense around him at best. (Sorry if that offends the Fin faithfull, but as an unbiased observer, that's how I see it) Rivers has the most SB ready team on BOTH sides of the ball in the NFL, and still didn't play like one of the best 5 QBs in the league. Pro-Bowl status not withstanding.


Sorry, but I reject the comparisons of Cutler to Elway, I reject the comparisons of Ronnie Brown to Jim Brown and I am rejecting the notion that Rivers has anything in common with Marino other than size and weight.

Who peed in your Cheerios this morning?

One thing about sports is that players will always get compared to other players. So you're saying we shouldn't compare current players to past players? What fun would that be and last I checked this thing called sports is ENTERTAINMENT.

What's wrong with comparing Cutler to Elway, they both possess a ridiculous arm that can sling all over the place? What's wrong with comparing Jim Brown to Ronnie Brown? What's wrong with comparing LT to Barry Sanders? What's wrong with comparing Lebron to Michael?

Well....

Nothing is wrong with it because EVERYONE DOES IT...that's what sports is for. Without comparing past heroes such as Marino to upcoming players what else can we talk about? And as mentioned, besides their height, have you seen they're throwing motion? Have you seen the leadership qualities that Rivers possess in the huddle that Marino orchestrated beautifully?

And just exactly what would you base his performance this year and what do you base it on? Put Pro-Bowl aside and stats and votes by peers, what is YOUR selection process in determining whether a QB had a good/decent/outstanding year?
 
Thanks for reading the article guys.

As mentioned, we could be so lucky if Rivers has a career anywhere near what Marino has done and as also mentioned - by no means are we trying to match what Rivers has done this year...because he hasn't done anything yet. Hopefully and I pray that changes within the next couple of weeks :-)

What I've noticed about Philip that reminds me of Dan a lot is his ability to lead. PR commands that huddle and commands all his players. Yes, he has LaDainian as his back but I don't hold that against him. A player is only as good as his supporting cast.

One main thing I said about PR during the release of Drew Brees is that PR has "it" - what that "it" is hard to explain, but he has "it." He has the ability to lead the team downfield down by 6 with a minute and 30 seconds left...DB did not have that "it."

Also, he doesn't hand of all the time - he's got 3338 yards with 22TD's and 9 Ints.

I hope you guys don't mind if I take some of your replies and put them onthe site.
Good thing you used "past tense" there, because Drew Brees currently is the better quarterback, no questions asked. He has "it", I think the numbers and the way he lifted the entire city and state of Louisiana proves "it".
 
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