2413fanphins
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you got an offensive lineman chasing a defensive end as he makes the sack on the qb, and you praise the offensive tackle????
people have different opinions on a wide range of things... you don't seem to deal with that well.
for example... you and I have differing opinions on the meaning of the word "monstrously"... and just recently "off field baggage"..
he has quite a bit less baggage than say a von miller had coming out of A&M... at least IMO.
we also have differing opinions of just how many scouts tell the truth to every tom dick and harry this time of year...
is this the same russ lande who has ziggy ansah going #2 overall to jacksonville, keenan allen going #6 overall to cleveland, geno smith #7, ryan nassib #8..... I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into mr. lande... but to each his own.
you got an offensive lineman chasing a defensive end as he makes the sack on the qb, and you praise the offensive tackle????
so which is it???
russ lande has no scouts telling him damontre moore is a first round talent and thus has him in the 2nd...
or mel kiper who is as you said in another thread, very sensitive to what scouts tell him when he compiles his lists... has damontre moore going #2 overall??
we both can at least agree, that it can't be both??!!
That's pretty easy. Russ Lande specifically cited scouts' opinions. Mel Kiper did not. Just because Mel Kiper generally listens to scouts when coming up with his Big Board, doesn't mean it's the case with every player. If Mel Kiper came out there and said I've got scouts telling me he's #2 overall or #1 overall worthy, then that would be a direct contradiction with Russ Lande. And I'd be inclined to believe Kiper over Lande. But that's just not what has happened here. Generally in the absence of directly contradictory evidence I will assign some weight to where guys rank on Mel Kiper's Big Board, because I know his habits when it comes to listening to scouts.
With Cordarrelle Patterson I've heard no conflicting evidence to suggest this is a guy that Kiper is just "winging it" with. In fact, to the contrary, I find it interesting that two former scouts in Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah have Cordarrelle going top 12 as well (Jeremiah has him #8 overall to the Bills). If there were directly contradicting evidence then that would cast doubt on Patterson's draft stock in my eyes. But there hasn't been, only supporting evidence at this point.
your pretty crafty when it comes to dodging a question. the fact of the matter is neither of these two have cited anybody... it's like espns' infamous "sources"... nobody put a name to anything, particularly in landes case, because when it comes to kiper, all I did was take your thread sentence for evidence. you talk in one thread like you personally know kiper and come off as matter of fact when you state that he takes serious what scouts tell him when compiling his lists, and now I am almost led to believe that kiper just threw damontre moore in at #2 to be bashful for everyone...
Until lande grows some grapefruits and puts a name to his accusations in regards to moore, I will only allow myself to take this story as fact about as much as I lend weight to what two "former" scouts in bucky brooks and daniel jeremiah think of cordarelle patterson. afterall, lets face it, they are former scouts for a reason.
Well, whoever was "hoping" Damontre Moore falls to #12 overall...it wasn't me.
I think he's monstrously overrated. He's quite good when being blocked by air. Not so much when being blocked by...a human.