Dan Campbell has to get rid of coordinators

[JTech194]

There's no way he'll be successful keeping Coyle and Lazor. As the former TE coach being promoted to HC, he went from taking orders from Lazor and being told how to teach Lazor's system to now being in charge of Lazor and telling Lazor how to implement his system.... Will he get the support and loyalty from the coordinators? I don't think so. Here's what I think he should do.. Fire Lazor and Coyle, promote the oline or RB coach to OC and the DL or secondary coach to DC. This gives him a couple of guys that would be loyal to him because he gave them their shot.

Consult with outside sources who aren't affiliated with any teams (Brian Billick, Tony Dungy etc.. guys like this.) that can help them put together game and practice plans. Consult with the leaders of the team to see what the issues are, what they think would fix the problems schematically. Some of these players have been around for a long time and might have some good input.

Put it all together and hell you never know. We might win a few games this year.

 

[dolpns13]

You cant fire everybody. Thats just setting yourself up for disaster. At the minimum fire Coyle. I think we have to keep Lazor but all the playcalls have to go through campbell and have to make sense to him.

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

And replace them with whom? This season is over. Campbell is a placeholder to get us a top 5 draft pick and the house will be cleaned immediately following the season.

 

[JCane]

No, Lazor needs to stay.

 

[THE OG CANEPHINS]

OK, lets say both are fired.

Lets say we promote from within and replace them with Dufner and Taylor.

Lets say we do that. You do realize we are then 3 assistant coaches short of where we need to be (Campbell still needs to find a new TE coach to replace himself).

Now think that you will have to implement 2 new systems in less than 2 weeks. Yeah, that is totally reasonable. Especially on offense where everything is based off of learned terms, signals, and repetition.

Fact is you can't fire both right now. Maybe Coyle....maybe. However, the chances of that happening are slim. Now...Campbell might demand he changes his scheme to 1 gap and gives the line the freedom to do what they do best. Now, if Coyle refuses...then a change has to be made. Until then there probably is no change made.

 

[phins_4_ever]

There's no way he'll be successful keeping Coyle and Lazor. As the former TE coach being promoted to HC, he went from taking orders from Lazor and being told how to teach Lazor's system to now being in charge of Lazor and telling Lazor how to implement his system.... Will he get the support and loyalty from the coordinators? I don't think so. Here's what I think he should do.. Fire Lazor and Coyle, promote the oline or RB coach to OC and the DL or secondary coach to DC. This gives him a couple of guys that would be loyal to him because he gave them their shot.

Consult with outside sources who aren't affiliated with any teams (Brian Billick, Tony Dungy etc.. guys like this.) that can help them put together game and practice plans. Consult with the leaders of the team to see what the issues are, what they think would fix the problems schematically. Some of these players have been around for a long time and might have some good input.

Put it all together and hell you never know. We might win a few games this year.

Give him a chance. As a TE coach he knows the inner workings better than anybody. As far as we know it was all on Philbin. Maybe Philbin interfered in game planning, told pour coaches "pull back" or "limit your playbook".
Maybe he did not. I am assuming that Campbell knows that. Let him do his job know.
If he feels he can work with what we got so be it.

That's why Ross and Co told him: if you need to fire anybody go ahead. It is his team now. His will be the failure or success.

 

[normaldude]

You cant fire everybody. Thats just setting yourself up for disaster. At the minimum fire Coyle. I think we have to keep Lazor but all the playcalls have to go through campbell and have to make sense to him.

I agree about firing Coyle, and keeping Lazor.

However, I disagree about the playcalling. Campbell has no experience calling plays. Campbell's job should be to give good locker room speeches to fire up the troops. For this year, Campbell should let the OC & DC call the plays.

 

[SoCal Finatic]

I agree about firing Coyle, and keeping Lazor.

However, I disagree about the playcalling. Campbell has no experience calling plays. Campbell's job should be to give good locker room speeches to fire up the troops. For this year, Campbell should let the OC & DC call the plays.

I think if we see adjustments made to the playcalling then that means that Philbin was holding back Lazor's plans. If we see the same old, same old, then Cambell needs to (at the very least) step in and tweak the offense. Regarding the defense, I don't think Philbin meddled at all in our defensive scheme. That being the case, fire Coyle. Now.

 

[normaldude]

I agree about firing Coyle, and keeping Lazor.

However, I disagree about the playcalling. Campbell has no experience calling plays. Campbell's job should be to give good locker room speeches to fire up the troops. For this year, Campbell should let the OC & DC call the plays.

I think if we see adjustments made to the playcalling then that means that Philbin was holding back Lazor's plans. If we see the same old, same old, then Cambell needs to (at the very least) step in and tweak the offense. Regarding the defense, I don't think Philbin meddled at all in our defensive scheme. That being the case, fire Coyle. Now.

Tannehill & Suh signed monster contracts. We need them to be happy.

- Currently, Tannehill is not allowed to audible (link). Ask Tannehill if he'd like to audible. If the answer is "yes", then let him audible.

- Suh (and the d-line) wants to play 1-gap, rather than 2-gap. Go with 1-gap.

Additionally, I'd like to see more deep balls to Kenny Stills & Devante Parker. The season is likely lost, so might as well let it fly, and see what happens.

 

[utahphinsfan]

- Currently, Tannehill is not allowed to audible (link). Ask Tannehill if he'd like to audible. If the answer is "yes", then let him audible.

- Suh (and the d-line) wants to play 1-gap, rather than 2-gap. Go with 1-gap.

Agree. Ryan is smart enough to adjust the plays as he sees fit.

A 2 gap system is best in a 3-4. A 1 gap seek & destroy is better for this DL IMO.

 

[Bob512]

I think you keep Lazor out of necessity. If he can evolve or was being held back for some reason....it will show up pretty quickly. If not, he goes at the end of the season. Coyle should go now. We have options (Duffner at a minimum or Schwartz possibly) so no sense keeping him based on his performance.

Truth be told, both should go, but we don't have the luxury of being down both coordinators right now.

 

[Mogwai]

There's no question he wants to, but he's running into the roadblock of how difficult it is at this point of the year to find competent replacements. Philbin's coaching staff is horrible. There's no one to promote. If there were other Parcells hold overs like Bowles or Rodgers this would be very easy, but there isn't. It's very difficult to ask anyone good to come in and install a new offense or defense in a week. Coyle getting the ax is much more likely. But it should be an outside choice. People bring up Duffner because he's been around long enough and had that poor run as HC of Maryland two decades ago, but that's not a very promising choice.

 

[VBCheeseGrater]

OK, lets say both are fired.

Lets say we promote from within and replace them with Dufner and Taylor.

Lets say we do that. You do realize we are then 3 assistant coaches short of where we need to be (Campbell still needs to find a new TE coach to replace himself).

Now think that you will have to implement 2 new systems in less than 2 weeks. Yeah, that is totally reasonable. Especially on offense where everything is based off of learned terms, signals, and repetition.

Fact is you can't fire both right now. Maybe Coyle....maybe. However, the chances of that happening are slim. Now...Campbell might demand he changes his scheme to 1 gap and gives the line the freedom to do what they do best. Now, if Coyle refuses...then a change has to be made. Until then there probably is no change made.

Well said. Campbell has to tread carefully - he's a new coach with an already overfull plate, if he goes firing everyone he's going to too busy to do anything to get this team on track. I don't like Coyle (or lazor at the moment) but I totally agree - give guys a chance to fall in line and make the changes you ask before putting yourself in an even worse situation. Of course if Schwartz is ready to go and thinks he can make it work on short notice, i'd listen for sure.

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Campbell's job should be to give good locker room speeches to fire up the troops.

I that's all he does, we're doomed. This team needs tangible changes. The players won't even respect a good speech with no action behind it.