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Davone Bess & Brian Hartline: 2011 in Review

BAMAPHIN 22 said:
Spotlight on these two receivers who made the most of their opportunities. http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/...n-Review/578e6e5a-253e-43fe-8547-7dcedddc0da3
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Nice little highlight video and assessment. I agree that the two complement one another in their skill sets, but I just don't like Hartline's YAC. He seems to fall down or get easily tackled after each reception. He just doesn't have the quickness to juke defenders. I do love his toughness and his sideline catches, though. Love Bess and think he will flourish this year in this style of offense. He looks like a running back with the ball in his hands.
 
Brian Hartline in my opinion is destined to benefit from this offense more so than Davone Bess.
 
That's a spectacular video and analysis, by the way. Really good job by Congemi. I see I wasn't the only one working on Hartline footage.

I'm not trying to hate on Davone Bess at all. I think he's going to be about what he was already, in this new scheme. He's averaged about 680 yards a season for Miami since he got here. I think that's where he's lined up to produce once again, about 700+ yards or so, with a few TDs sprinkled in there.

But I think it's Brian Hartline that has the upside relative to what he's already done, owing to the scheme. He's averaged about 560 yards per season since he got here, with only 5 touchdowns, and I think he's destined to produce more than that, perhaps even double that level of production. It would not at all surprise me if he ended up a 1000 yard receiver in this scheme as the team's top big play target.

Congemi brings up a point that Davone Bess will be used to challenge the seam, which is emphatically necessary in Joe Philbin's passing scheme. But he'll also try and accomplish that with Michael Egnew, and don't be surprised if Philbin wants to see what Hartline can do on the inside in the seam, not just on the perimeter. Scheme-wise he's just looking to manipulate the defense and make the reads easier for the quarterback, so he's not going to have Hartline operating strictly outside and/or Bess strictly inside.
 
The thing about hartline I really like is his YPC. i believe he has led the team every year he's played. Bess seems to have trouble getting vertical seperation. He hardly ever beats his man deep. Great at 10 to 20 yard routes and quick stuff but zero deep threat. Gates or one of the new guys needs to be able to get open long. Even in a WCO we need that ability or they stack the box to stop our running game and play man on all our recievers.
 
ckparrothead said:
That's a spectacular video and analysis, by the way. Really good job by Congemi. I see I wasn't the only one working on Hartline footage.

I'm not trying to hate on Davone Bess at all. I think he's going to be about what he was already, in this new scheme. He's averaged about 680 yards a season for Miami since he got here. I think that's where he's lined up to produce once again, about 700+ yards or so, with a few TDs sprinkled in there.

But I think it's Brian Hartline that has the upside relative to what he's already done, owing to the scheme. He's averaged about 560 yards per season since he got here, with only 5 touchdowns, and I think he's destined to produce more than that, perhaps even double that level of production. It would not at all surprise me if he ended up a 1000 yard receiver in this scheme as the team's top big play target.

Congemi brings up a point that Davone Bess will be used to challenge the seam, which is emphatically necessary in Joe Philbin's passing scheme. But he'll also try and accomplish that with Michael Egnew, and don't be surprised if Philbin wants to see what Hartline can do on the inside in the seam, not just on the perimeter. Scheme-wise he's just looking to manipulate the defense and make the reads easier for the quarterback, so he's not going to have Hartline operating strictly outside and/or Bess strictly inside.
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Playing devil's advocate: I don't doubt that Hartline's production will increase, but that will be mostly because he is a better receiver than people think...or only because he will now be our #1?
 
I'm so tried of hearing about Hartline's "poor" YAC. Over his 3 years here his YAC is has been 4.57 YAC . More then a yard more then B Marshall's during his two seasons here. He has also had the top YPC average of any WR in his 3 years here. When you have to make diving and leaping catches while dragging your toes to stay in bounds, your YAC is not going to be great but his is not bad. Way too many people are simply going off his 2011 YAC numbers.
 
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/


The Dolphins feel confident starting the season with Brian Hartline (35 catches, 546 yards) and Davone Bess (51, 537) as starters and believe Naanee can be a serviceable No. 3 or No. 4


The Dolphins remain very hopeful two other regulars will emerge from among Clyde Gates (“I have a high regard for him. He has to develop,” Ireland said), Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace, Julius Pruitt (“he’s having a heck of an offseason,” Bess said) and rookies B.J. Cunningham, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller.

For the skeptics, Hartline has a message: “This coaching staff has made their own analysis, and if receiver was a glaring issue, we would go out and fix it.”

Though Hartline ranks among the least-known top receivers on any team, he has grown on this staff, which is impressed by his intelligence (critical for receivers in this offense), sneaky speed (“he runs real well,” Philbin said) and his production and acrobatic catches in the second half of 2011. “He’s the caliber of player I like to have; when you throw him the ball, he usually catches it,” Ireland said. “And there are things left in his repertoire he can still show.”

Among the undrafted players, the Dolphins are intrigued by 6-4 Fuller, who caught former Texas A&M teammate Ryan Tannehill's best pass in Tuesday's practice. “He has a lot of skills,” Philbin said

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Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpyFor the skeptics, Hartline has a message: “This coaching staff has made their own analysis, and if receiver was a glaring issue, we would go out and fix it.”Though Hartline ranks among the least-known top receivers on any team, he has grown on this staff, which is impressed by his intelligence (critical for receivers in this offense), sneaky speed (“he runs real well,” Philbin said) and his production and acrobatic catches in the second half of 2011. “He’s the caliber of player I like to have; when you throw him the ball, he usually catches it,” Ireland said. “And there are things left in his repertoire he can still show.”


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really like both of these guys. the new system is going to make hartline shine alot more this year
 
For me a important thing is this is our team for this season. We might sign a RG but I'm almost sure that we will not sign a FA WR.

So love the one your with.
 
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