Dbs & Lbs Value Rising, Dts Dropping

[foozool13]

I was looking at the article below about the 3 point stance becoming a thing of the past with the new helmet rule and was thinking about what the biggest impact might be.

With the NFL finally admitting what some suspected for the past two months — the new helmet rule does apply to offensive and defensive linemen — the three-point stance inevitably will be gone. And the NFL will have gotten rid of it without actually getting rid of it.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/say-farewell-to-the-three-point-stance/

Here is what I think. This rule will affect interior oline to a degree, but I think DTs will be impacted the most as they won’t be able to launch off the ball like before. Therefore less effectiveness from them, as I hardly ever see DTs standing up to rush. I would have said Dline is effected as a whole, but since DEs tend bend around and edge and use speed and OTs don't really use a 3 point stance much anymore, I don’t think it will effect them as much.

Which bring me to my next conclusion that DBs and LBs will be much more heavily realied on to cover and tackle. I expect that the NFL will use 3 safties more as well going forward. Having Minkah at center field now paired with Reshad and TJ doesnt really sound that bad

Now this is just my initial reaction to this new rule. Not saying it won’t have other effects, but this is the biggest impact for me.

 

[maralieus]

Well maybe this will help offensive lines hold up easier, which would also add the the value of lb’s and db’s. It will also help tannehill finally stay on his feet.

 

[gregorygrant83]

My understaning is defensive tackles can still launch if their head is up, which is a good thing if you want to see where the ball carrier is going anyway.

 

[DKphin]

Isn't this new rule just the old spearing rule that was never(seldom) called? As I understand it, you can't use the crown of the helmet as a weapon. That is spearing. I do not see this being anything different. You can not use the helmet as a weapon which is something that has been around for awhile. Only now they might actually call the offensive guys for penalties where as in the past they only called it on the defensive guys. I do not see how this applies to the Linemen as they do not have the room to effectively use the helmet as a weapon. They use their forearms as a weapon and not their heads.

 

[foozool13]

Isn't this new rule just the old spearing rule that was never(seldom) called? As I understand it, you can't use the crown of the helmet as a weapon. That is spearing. I do not seeing this being anything different. You can not use the helmet as a weapon which is something that has been around for awhile. Only now they might actually call the offensive guys for penalties where as in the past they only called it on the defensive guys. I do not see how this applies to the Linemen as they do not have the room to effectively use the helmet as a weapon. They use their forearms as a weapon and not their heads.

Looking at this picture above with the players in a 3 point stance, as they launch forward they would likely be leading with their helmets no?

 

[Ruckus45]

Looking at this picture above with the players in a 3 point stance, as they launch forward they would likely be leading with their helmets no?

You shouldn’t be. You should be leading with your punch. Helmets do collide in that mix, but if you get that close as a defender you’re probably blocked out of the play.

 

[finmann]

Isn't this new rule just the old spearing rule that was never(seldom) called? As I understand it, you can't use the crown of the helmet as a weapon. That is spearing. I do not seeing this being anything different. You can not use the helmet as a weapon which is something that has been around for awhile. Only now they might actually call the offensive guys for penalties where as in the past they only called it on the defensive guys. I do not see how this applies to the Linemen as they do not have the room to effectively use the helmet as a weapon. They use their forearms as a weapon and not their heads.

Agreed DK.....well said.

 

[ckparrothead]

I tend to doubt Florio is correct about the rule change.

 

[NoblePhin]

How on earth do you control that aspect of the game play in and play out? Being on the line your less than a foot from the other player. One step in and you are on contact

 

[NoblePhin]

If thats going to be a rule, go back to power run schemes because the leverage is already there.

 

[sunworshipper]

Offensive linemen haven't initiated contact chiefly with their heads and not their hands since the holding rules were loosened up back in the late 70s.

 

[DKphin]

Looking at this picture above with the players in a 3 point stance, as they launch forward they would likely be leading with their helmets no?

I agree. But this rule, IMO, is not aimed at the OL or DL because they are not intentionally using the head as a weapon. Instead, it is aimed at other players that use there heads as a battering ram to either gain extra yards or knock the player back when making a tackle.

 

[MARINO1384]

I agree. But this rule, IMO, is not aimed at the OL or DL because they are not intentionally using the head as a weapon. Instead, it is aimed at other players that use there heads as a battering ram to either gain extra yards or knock the player back when making a tackle.

Correct this may provide some further explanation and example from the guy that will be reviewing all ejections. He stated it won’t be an ejection fest but I’m not sure about this rule change. Football is too fast to control and ejecting players for this can have major impact on games, gives refs too much control. You have guys like Reshad making 15 tackles a game and your bound to make an illegal tackle whether it’s on purpose or you lose your balance. According to him, you can be ejected simply for leading with your head. Even if you make contact with chest or lower area, it’s still an electable offense. Not to mention literally every runningback was taught to put their head down and drive, now doing that gets you possibly thrown out. Jeez Larry Csonka might of lasted half a play before being permanently banned by the league with this rule in affect.

 

[DKphin]

Correct this may provide some further explanation and example from the guy that will be reviewing all ejections. He stated it won’t be an ejection fest but I’m not sure about this rule change. Football is too fast to control and ejecting players for this can have major impact on games, gives refs too much control. You have guys like Reshad making 15 tackles a game and your bound to make an illegal tackle whether it’s on purpose or you lose your balance. According to him, you can be ejected simply for leading with your head. Even if you make contact with chest or lower area, it’s still an electable offense. Not to mention literally every runningback was taught to put their head down and drive, now doing that gets you possibly thrown out. Jeez Larry Csonka might of lasted half a play before being permanently banned by the league with this rule in affect.

:laugh:thumbsup

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

The NFL is evolving to the point where the back seven might be more important than the defensive line. Even in the super bowl, for the most part, the defensive lineman were rendered almost useless. Both teams got rid of the ball so quickly that it negated much of what the defensive line could do. That said, the biggest defensive play came from the strip sack of Brady late in the game. So the defensive line is certainly still important.

It's a good question.