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I had a long previous post titled State of the Organization. Today I was doing some additional research in hopes of restoring my sanity and hope that the world was not ending and the Dolphins had some hope the next two years. I am not posting this under Salary Cap because it relates to my earlier post…and not many go to the SC forum.

I stated that a decision on Daunte in my opinion had to be made before 07. OOPS. Although you cannot get a lot of details on the net regarding his contract and the NFLPA site only lists salaries, there is some information on his bonus available. The Harrington contract is out there for people to see. So....cutting DC outright costs us about 8.4 million against the cap due to accelerated bonus hit....we are in this for the long haul like it or not...cutting DC is not going to happen folks. His (C-Peps) cap hit as close as I can tell is 2.6 next year .....Harrington’s is for 07,,, 3.85 (1.1 signing bonus amortized, 1.0 roster bonus(spring 07), and 1.75 salary in 07) versus cutting Joey which leaves us with a dead cap hit of roughly 1.85 (1.1 amortized signing bonus and .75 of his salary for 07 is guaranteed) if we cut Joey before his roster bonus. All this tells me we will see BOTH of them back next year.

Some other information but do not hold it as gospel...but as far as I can tell right now we are about $460,000 under the cap. With the additional 7m in cap next year and with the bonus's and contracts such as C-Peps and Harrington's we would enter 07 with the roster as it is now (including players NOT ACTUALLY under contract for 07,but 06 salary as guide) in the neighborhood of 920,000 under the cap. Our actual situation is about 19m under the cap because many of these players are not under contract for 07.

So take your pick as to how much cap room you want and who you would like back ....but...cutting the following players; Jacox, Booker, Mare, Carter, Newman, Bennie Anderson, James and not resigning Bowens, Holiday, Traylor, Spragen, Tillman, Zgonina, and others we could be as much as 36m under the cap. Now obviously you are not going to cut and not resign ALL of these guys (and others)...and you want to resign the Welkers, Bergers, etc, and have your rookies under contract (which it looks will cost big given it will probably be a #1-5 pick). Personally I would take Carter and Mare back and spend the additional money elsewhere......so next years cap is not as hand tied as this years given you can part with at least some of the above mentioned.

The bottom line of all this is we can endure another year of carrying ZT and JT's salary cap hit (and be 1 year closer to getting it off the books) and be a FA player to the degree we want to change the roster outside of these two. I am sure everyone has there personal preferences but that is the situation as close as I can tell.
 
Doesn't the team that trades a player have his bonus accelerated into its cap hit the year of the trade? As I recall, one of the huge favorable parts of trading for Culpepper instead of signing Brees as a free agent was that Minnesota would eat Daunte's entire bonus, whereas we'd have to pay Brees one.
 
Miami only converted $7 million worth of salary and roster bonus into guaranteed money. His cap acceleration would amount to $6.125 million. His 2007 base salary is $5.5 million and his amortized bonus is $875k. In other words, keep him on the roster and he counts $6.375 million on our salary cap. Cut him and he counts $6.125 million. We would save approximately $250k by cutting him.

But otherwise I agree that cutting him would be absurd and the last thing they would consider.
 
shouright said:
Doesn't the team that trades a player have his bonus accelerated into its cap hit the year of the trade? As I recall, one of the huge favorable parts of trading for Culpepper instead of signing Brees as a free agent was that Minnesota would eat Daunte's entire bonus, whereas we'd have to pay Brees one.

You recall correctly. However, upon trading for Daunte, the team took the $6 million roster bonus due to him (the one the Vikes didn't want to pay hence the trade), plus an additional $1 million of base salary, and converted it into guaranteed signing bonus.

So he's got $7 million of guaranteed prorating over the 8 remaining years of the contract. $875k of it counts this year.
 
If your figures are correct, that is an amazing number under the salary cap. People here fail to realize that building a team isn't done overnight. New England wasn't built in a day. Meanwhile, I would be intrigued as to which marquee free agents will be availible next year, or potential impact players.

I would LOVE to see us sign a LT or RG, sign a #1 corner. I do not see receiver as the #1 need for our team, we have a lot of glaring holes. If we drafted Gaines Adams in the 1st, Tim Zibikowski in the 2nd, and Gore the RG out of VA Tech in the 3rd, I would be a very happy man.
 
WPBtoRNOFinFan said:
If your figures are correct, that is an amazing number under the salary cap. People here fail to realize that building a team isn't done overnight. New England wasn't built in a day. Meanwhile, I would be intrigued as to which marquee free agents will be availible next year, or potential impact players.

I would LOVE to see us sign a LT or RG, sign a #1 corner. I do not see receiver as the #1 need for our team, we have a lot of glaring holes. If we drafted Gaines Adams in the 1st, Tim Zibikowski in the 2nd, and Gore the RG out of VA Tech in the 3rd, I would be a very happy man.

I believe that MIA will look to change the left side of the OLine, not the right. I believe that they like Carey at RT, Shelton at RG, and maybe Mckinney at C. They should re-sign MacIntosh to backup whoever they get to play LT and cut James and replace him with Toledo at LG. That would make our OLine look like:

LT- (?)/MacIntosh(re-signed)
LG- J.Toledo/J.Berger*
C- S.Mckinney*/R.Hadnot*
RG- L.J.Shelton(restructured)
RT- V.Carey/A.Alabi

*You could see them bring in another C/G to replace Hadnot,Mckinney, or Berger.
 
Good post/thread, I've been saying all along there's no way we don't enter next season with DC and JH as our QB's, for these very reasons. We have too much invested in them, and Dc will hopefully return to his 2004 form if he gets 100% healthy and (more importantly) we put a decent OL in front of him.
 
So...

At the end, we have a lot of cap to through money for people who doesn't contribute to winnig, look at our class from FA in the secondary, well spend money, and look at ours qb's core, they are really something. They are a lot of money of worseless players. GO DOLPHINS!!:mad: :dolphins:

Ps go Dolphins with more over pay (players?)
 
MrEd said:
I believe that MIA will look to change the left side of the OLine, not the right. I believe that they like Carey at RT, Shelton at RG, and maybe Mckinney at C. They should re-sign MacIntosh to backup whoever they get to play LT and cut James and replace him with Toledo at LG. That would make our OLine look like:

LT- (?)/MacIntosh(re-signed)
LG- J.Toledo/J.Berger*
C- S.Mckinney*/R.Hadnot*
RG- L.J.Shelton(restructured)
RT- V.Carey/A.Alabi

*You could see them bring in another C/G to replace Hadnot,Mckinney, or Berger.

They don't have a major problem with Hadnot. In fact, he's 2nd behind Carey in the team's grading system this season.

A few weeks ago I stumbled upon the Scouts, Inc. grades for our players. It was interesting to note that they seemed to have a solid opinion of Bennie Anderson, but noted that his main problems stem from being overweight. One has to wonder how effective he could actually be if he dropped about 30lbs.
 
just out of curiosity, where does rodrique wright stand in our oline next year.
If I remember he was a 6th or 7th, but had surgery right away, but was supposed to be a good pickup for us.

anything???
 
draft speculations, capologists, we're not even halfway thru the season, ugh!
 
2413fanphins said:
just out of curiosity, where does rodrique wright stand in our oline next year.
If I remember he was a 6th or 7th, but had surgery right away, but was supposed to be a good pickup for us.

anything???

He won't be playing on our O-line because he's a DT. He was a projected 1st rd pick at one point but he fell on draft day beause of an undisclosed shoulder injury. He has had surgery and is recovering.
He could be a steal.
 
my 2 cents said:
I had a long previous post titled State of the Organization. Today I was doing some additional research in hopes of restoring my sanity and hope that the world was not ending and the Dolphins had some hope the next two years. I am not posting this under Salary Cap because it relates to my earlier post…and not many go to the SC forum.

I stated that a decision on Daunte in my opinion had to be made before 07. OOPS. Although you cannot get a lot of details on the net regarding his contract and the NFLPA site only lists salaries, there is some information on his bonus available. The Harrington contract is out there for people to see. So....cutting DC outright costs us about 8.4 million against the cap due to accelerated bonus hit....we are in this for the long haul like it or not...cutting DC is not going to happen folks. His (C-Peps) cap hit as close as I can tell is 2.6 next year .....Harrington’s is for 07,,, 3.85 (1.1 signing bonus amortized, 1.0 roster bonus(spring 07), and 1.75 salary in 07) versus cutting Joey which leaves us with a dead cap hit of roughly 1.85 (1.1 amortized signing bonus and .75 of his salary for 07 is guaranteed) if we cut Joey before his roster bonus. All this tells me we will see BOTH of them back next year.

Some other information but do not hold it as gospel...but as far as I can tell right now we are about $460,000 under the cap. With the additional 7m in cap next year and with the bonus's and contracts such as C-Peps and Harrington's we would enter 07 with the roster as it is now (including players NOT ACTUALLY under contract for 07,but 06 salary as guide) in the neighborhood of 920,000 under the cap. Our actual situation is about 19m under the cap because many of these players are not under contract for 07.

So take your pick as to how much cap room you want and who you would like back ....but...cutting the following players; Jacox, Booker, Mare, Carter, Newman, Bennie Anderson, James and not resigning Bowens, Holiday, Traylor, Spragen, Tillman, Zgonina, and others we could be as much as 36m under the cap. Now obviously you are not going to cut and not resign ALL of these guys (and others)...and you want to resign the Welkers, Bergers, etc, and have your rookies under contract (which it looks will cost big given it will probably be a #1-5 pick). Personally I would take Carter and Mare back and spend the additional money elsewhere......so next years cap is not as hand tied as this years given you can part with at least some of the above mentioned.

The bottom line of all this is we can endure another year of carrying ZT and JT's salary cap hit (and be 1 year closer to getting it off the books) and be a FA player to the degree we want to change the roster outside of these two. I am sure everyone has there personal preferences but that is the situation as close as I can tell.

Personally, I don't give a rat's *** how much money they got or how much they spend as long as they win some games.
 
zonk4ever said:
draft speculations, capologists, we're not even halfway thru the season, ugh!

Ha ha, my sentiments exactly. As a fan, I don't give a crap, I just want to see them win some games.
 
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