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What does 1980 have to do w/ today's Steelers?


It's all in fun, I don't ever take anything personal and you shouldn't either. Good luck.

You were saying that Pitt did not have a bad year in 09, and it just shows a pattern that Pitt always has a down year after a SP win. 80, 06, 09. I don't take anything personal either. We are just talking about football here. I just feel that we have debated this issue about as far as it can be debated without repeating the same thing over and over again. I would wish you good luck as well, but the Jets have already had more than their share. :chuckle:
 
We should have been 12-4 or 13-3 if we hadn't lost to teams like Oakland, SF, Seattle, ...

I don't want Cincy to appear better than they were, I know they were a good team. yes they were down the list of playoff teams w/ such teams like Miami '08 and KC '10 but they still were a div champ in a top division.

What does 1980 have to do w/ today's Steelers?


It's all in fun, I don't ever take anything personal and you shouldn't either. Good luck.

Well Miami 08 would have beat you very eas...oh wait, Miami 08 did beat you twice in 09, I don't really need to tell you as we know it's a fact....continue with your spinning of the facts.
 
Well Miami 08 would have beat you very eas...oh wait, Miami 08 did beat you twice in 09, I don't really need to tell you as we know it's a fact....continue with your spinning of the facts.

Ok so then I guess we won the AFC last year? after all we did beat Pitt in the reg season so using your faulty logic that must mean we were better.
 
Ok so then I guess we won the AFC last year? after all we did beat Pitt in the reg season so using your faulty logic that must mean we were better.

You did face them in the playoffs, right? so you went 1-1 Miami faced your team twice, and beat them, but unfortunatly we did not have 2 teams take a dive for us in 09, so we were not able to reach the playoffs, and probably beat you a 3rd time....oh wait, if Miami had reached the playoffs, with the free pass the Jets got, that would have meant, Miami reaches the playoffs instead of the Jets, so Miami and Jets Playing in the playoffs would never happen anyway.
 
the eagles arguably have 3 CORNERS who are just as good / better than smith and davis O_O
 
You did face them in the playoffs, right? so you went 1-1 Miami faced your team twice, and beat them, but unfortunatly we did not have 2 teams take a dive for us in 09, so we were not able to reach the playoffs, and probably beat you a 3rd time....oh wait, if Miami had reached the playoffs, with the free pass the Jets got, that would have meant, Miami reaches the playoffs instead of the Jets, so Miami and Jets Playing in the playoffs would never happen anyway.

You had fate in your hands, win 3 games against teams not going to the playoffs and you would have made it- you won ZERO. You proved you were a fraud in '08 by getting humiliated at home in the WC rd and you proved you were a fraud the last 2 years never truly contending for a postseason spot.
 
You had fate in your hands, win 3 games against teams not going to the playoffs and you would have made it- you won ZERO. You proved you were a fraud in '08 by getting humiliated at home in the WC rd and you proved you were a fraud the last 2 years never truly contending for a postseason spot.

Like your team, we had a 1st year starter, and a good running game, but unlike your team, we did not have a defense to protect our young QB, not that your team needed it, with the Colts and Bungles taking a nap till playoffs.
 
You did face them in the playoffs, right? so you went 1-1 Miami faced your team twice, and beat them, but unfortunatly we did not have 2 teams take a dive for us in 09, so we were not able to reach the playoffs, and probably beat you a 3rd time....oh wait, if Miami had reached the playoffs, with the free pass the Jets got, that would have meant, Miami reaches the playoffs instead of the Jets, so Miami and Jets Playing in the playoffs would never happen anyway.

this is so stupid

stop this, you're embarrassing us
 
Can I say again that's it's time for this thread to ride off in the sunset.....
 
You had fate in your hands, win 3 games against teams not going to the playoffs and you would have made it- you won ZERO. You proved you were a fraud in '08 by getting humiliated at home in the WC rd and you proved you were a fraud the last 2 years never truly contending for a postseason spot.

Talk about frauds: you had your fate in your own hands (before the sisters of charity gifted you a free ride): beat Atlanta at home and your perverted immoral coach isn't crying about being eliminated. He should be kissing Polian's and Caldwell's feet.. although maybe not so much after the 24 -0 31 minute humiliation even with a hobbled Dwight Freeney and no Bob Sanders.
 
You had fate in your hands, win 3 games against teams not going to the playoffs and you would have made it- you won ZERO. You proved you were a fraud in '08 by getting humiliated at home in the WC rd and you proved you were a fraud the last 2 years never truly contending for a postseason spot.

Oh come on, you know damn well that if the Jets beat Miami twice in the regular season and MIami went to the playoffs the whole Jets site would be all over that. We both have different favorite teams and nothing is going to make us change our minds that our team is better right now, look at the past couple of years all you want but I for one am very optimistic about this team, and I should be as you should be for yours, but coming in here and calling our Franchise a fraud? Thats dirty man, we played a great up and coming team in the Ravens that really tore us up, but that doesn't mean we were frauds.

If Miami had went to the playoffs and went to the AFC championship game then we all know Jets fans will be jumping all over it saying "that was a lucky year, you got an easy entrance into the playoffs when the Colts gave you a win." matter of the fact is any team can win any game just ask the Browns (Browns vs Patriots) or you beating the Steelers in the regular season and then the Steelers beating you, don't come over here and insult this franchise when your sitting at the same place we are come February, the damn couch watching the superbowl, maybe your teams a fraud too since you can't get passed the AFC Championship.

Now I know better than that and I know you have a good ball team(not elite yet, just an opinion don't jump all over it) and I believe we have a good ball team here too and I believe we had a good team in '08 even with an easy schedule it's still the NFL and it is not a cakewalk. You lost some respect with that one Junc.
 
Oh come on, you know damn well that if the Jets beat Miami twice in the regular season and MIami went to the playoffs the whole Jets site would be all over that. We both have different favorite teams and nothing is going to make us change our minds that our team is better right now, look at the past couple of years all you want but I for one am very optimistic about this team, and I should be as you should be for yours, but coming in here and calling our Franchise a fraud? Thats dirty man, we played a great up and coming team in the Ravens that really tore us up, but that doesn't mean we were frauds.

If Miami had went to the playoffs and went to the AFC championship game then we all know Jets fans will be jumping all over it saying "that was a lucky year, you got an easy entrance into the playoffs when the Colts gave you a win." matter of the fact is any team can win any game just ask the Browns (Browns vs Patriots) or you beating the Steelers in the regular season and then the Steelers beating you, don't come over here and insult this franchise when your sitting at the same place we are come February, the damn couch watching the superbowl, maybe your teams a fraud too since you can't get passed the AFC Championship.

Now I know better than that and I know you have a good ball team(not elite yet, just an opinion don't jump all over it) and I believe we have a good ball team here too and I believe we had a good team in '08 even with an easy schedule it's still the NFL and it is not a cakewalk. You lost some respect with that one Junc.

Would I bring it up? sure, would I say we were better? NO.

Your '08 team earned their div title and playoff app but if some will question how we got in during the '09 season then yuo have to apply the same standard to '08 when you had an easier time getting in, right?
 
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Would I bring it up? sure, would I say we were better? NO.

Your '08 team earned their div title and playoff app but if some will question how we got in during the '09 season then yuo have to apply the same standard to '08 when you had an easier time getting in, right?

I never said I thought our team was better these past couple of years, I thought we had a very bad offense with very bad coaching decisions, I know Jets fans feel the same way but at least he uses his weapons in some kind of way to their strengths, but Henning was an uptight OC who thought it was his way or you aint gettin the ball.

I agree, things happen in the NFL and every team needs some kind of luck to get to the superbowl, whether it be getting that Colts game or just someone killing it in the playoffs. We both have different perspectives on eachothers teams and both teams fans will always say this year you got lucky and that year you got lucky blah blah blah, but to go out and disrespect the entire Franchise and say it was a Fraud? I just think that is a low blow.
 
The '08 Dolphins are one of the worst playoff teams in recent memory. But they were a playoffs, so congratulations to them for that.

I'm a big fan of pro-football-references Simple Rating System, as long as you account for some of the weird stuff that occasionally happens in Week 17. It's based on point differential and strength of schedule. For a frame of reference, the '07 Pats scored a 20.1, the highest score in league history (they won their regular season game by an average of 20 points, but....18-1, hehehe). The '08 Dolphins have a SRS score of -0.5, the '08 Ravens were a 9.8, tied with the '08 Steelers for the best SRS score in the league. Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl that year. Of course, the team that they beat, the '08 Cardinals, had a SRS score of -1.9, making them a worse playoff team than the Dolphins.

In '09 the Jets had a SRS of 8.6 (skewed by the 37-0 victory over the Bengals in week 17, without that game they're a little shy of a 6), the Bengals were a 0.7 (again, skewed by week 17, would have been around a 4). The Chargers were a 6.6, the Cowboys were a 7.1, the Eagles were a 6, New England was an 11.2 (highest in the league that year, New Orleans was 2nd best with a 10.6), Indy was a 5.9 (the Jets loss didn't hurt their score much, but the 23 point loss to the Bills in week 17 sure did), Baltimore was a 7.5, Pittsburgh was a 1.7, the same rating as the 7-9 Dolphins (your two wins over the 8.6 Jets boosted your rating).

Arguments against teams like the '09 Chargers, Cowboys, and Eagles are invalid because while they didn't play a schedule loaded with playoff teams (teams that do usually don't make the playoffs), they played the good teams toughs and blew out a few lesser teams that they were clearly better than. That's one of the marks of a very good team. It's also one of the things that the '08 Dolphins didn't do, winning only 2 games by double digits while losing 3 by that margin.

As far as Strength of Schedule (determined by opponents' average SRS) went for '08, the Dolphins had the 29th most difficult schedule (-2.3), the Lions had the most difficult (2.5, only because they lost all of their games), and the Steelers played what was, legitimately, the most difficult schedule (still going 12-4, then proceeding to win the Super Bowl, a truly impressive feat).

In '09, the Dolphins played the 2nd most difficult schedule in the league (3.6), the Jets schedule scored a 1.6, the Steelers scored a -1.1, Baltimore a -0.6, Cinci a -0.2, and San Diego a -1.7. All of them played more difficult schedules than the Dolphins of '08. Of course, San Diego, who played the weakest schedule of the playoff teams, paired their soft schedule with a point differential to match, +134, whereas the '08 Dolphins only managed a +28 against their even softer schedule.

Last year, New England had the highest SRS with a 15.4 (boosted by the 45-3 win over the Jets), the Jets had a 6.5 (severely hurt by the 45-3 loss), and the Dolphins a 0.3. Pittsburgh had the 2nd highest rating in the AFC with a 10.2, Green Bay had the highest in the NFC and 2nd highest in the NFL, a 10.9 (I love SRS, go back through the years and you'll be amazed at how often it gets the Super Bowl matchup correct and identifies the paper tigers). Indy was a 2.9, Baltimore a 6.4, and Kansas City a -0.7. You want a comparison for the '08 Dolphins? There it is, the '08 Dolphins and '10 Chiefs were equals. Neither team was as good as the '09 or '10 Jets.

You want to know why people are all over the Lions? Despite their 6-10 record, they had a 1.9 rating last year, and that was with Drew Stanton and Shaun Hill as their QBs for most of the season. They were already a 9-7 type team, if Stafford stays healthy, they could win 10 or 11 games.

Teams that could take a hard fall? Tampa Bay was a -0.7 last year, but went 10-6; Jacksonville went 8-8 despite their -4.5 rating (which is 0.1 better than the Bills, who finished 4-12).

Other teams making a jump (besides the Lions)? Tennessee should have been an 8-8/9-7 team last year, now they've got a better QB (if he can stay healthy), they're probably not going to make the playoffs with all the turnover they've had, but they could win 9 games. The Packers, they won the Super Bowl, but only 10 games in the regular season, their SRS was in line with a 13 win team (even with all of the injuries), that's where they should be this year.

Another thing the SRS shows, if the Dolphins are terrible this year, it won't be because of what I like to call "course correction" (teams that didn't really get worse, just caught fewer breaks in close games), but because the Henne/Sparano thing blows up. Similarly, there's no course correction that will send the Dolphins beyond 8-8. If they win 10 games, it will be because of "luck" (which won't be reflected in their SRS) or because Henne played a lot better, Bush made a huge impact, the defense was all-world, etc (which will). The Lions record is going to be better because last year's record wasn't an accurate reflection of the caliber of team they were, unless they suffer from still more bad luck (hasn't Detroit suffered enough?).

The Falcons should take a step back, they were good (6.1), but not 13 wins good (10+). Likewise for the Bears (4.1) and Saints (2.3). Nothing major, just 1-2 wins less this year. Also of note, Indy's 2.9 was their lowest SRS since 2002. It wasn't out of line with their 10-6 record, just something I found interesting.

Lastly, the Seahawks are going to fall off the map. They were the 3rd worst team in the league last year (-9.7, worst playoff team ever), behind only the Panthers (-13.2) and Cardinals (-12.7), but somehow found a way to not only make the playoffs, but win a game. On any given Sunday, as they say (or in this case, Saturday).

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* Well...not quite. That was longer than I had planned, but I really do try to be objective about these things, and I like to share information. I don't always succeed (I'm human), but I do like to think I'm better at it than most (I think highly of myself, another human trait. *sigh* If only I were a robot...)
 
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