Debunking the 'Myth' that our receivers "suck" | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Debunking the 'Myth' that our receivers "suck"

TheDon74

TheDon74

42.7% of all statistics are made up
Joined
Jan 11, 2009
Messages
2,235
Reaction score
26
Location
Naples, Fla
Writers note: This thread IS NOT about Ted Ginn. He is in fact total garbage and only sees the field because he can take it to the house in the return game. This thread is intended to defend Bess, Camarillo and Hartline.

During the course of this season I have read countless threads about how are receivers are "garbage" or "suck". At different points of the year I have seen "cut Bess", "bench Camarillo" or "Hartline is a bust" in big capital letters.

We all know we need a #1 receiver on this team (Ireland has said the FO knows it is a huge priority)
If you haven't read it yet here is the interview where he goes into detail about our need for a true #1
http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/exclusive-jeff-ireland-qa

Okay so back on point, so just because a guy isn't a #1 receiver doesn't mean he's not a key to the offence. All good and great teams have our kind of receivers on them paired with a game breaker. In fact these kind of guys make a #1 even better and vice versa. If we had a pro bowl stud WR right now but he was surrounded with garbage 2's and 3's his game would suffer and we might not have the 5 wins we do. We would all be bitching that we need to get some guys to help out said stud player.

One way or another you need different style receivers on a team and we just happen to have the more boring part of the pie right now but a no less important part. I'm not even going to go into the importance of a good receiving TE and how much pressure that takes off the receiving crew because this thing will turn into a novel.

None of this means anything if we swing and miss on our big time game changer, I think thats why they are taking their time and making sure they get it right. Moves like picking up Edwards would have been a disaster. Look at what they would have given up for him and he's already getting booed in NY for dropping balls and in key moments of the game. Be patient and he will come.

Just a side note, we actually have the 18th ranked receiving crew and when you consider thats without a #1 I think thats pretty good.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/receiving/sort/totalTouchdowns
 
Good post. I love what thoes 3 can do but w/out a true #1 its harder for the other guys to get things done.
 
Gadsden86 said:
Good post. I love what thoes 3 can do but w/out a true #1 its harder for the other guys to get things done.
Click to expand...

I like your screen name I miss that guy. I'm really hoping Turner can get coached up and be a Gadsden type receiver for us in the future. They say he makes a lot of those crazy catches on the sidelines. Time will tell, and it's another great example of a guy that wasn't a #1 but a key contributer.
 
TheDon74 said:
Writers note: This thread IS NOT about Ted Ginn. He is in fact total garbage and only sees the field because he can take it to the house in the return game. This thread is intended to defend Bess, Camarillo and Hartline.

During the course of this season I have read countless threads about how are receivers are "garbage" or "suck". At different points of the year I have seen "cut Bess", "bench Camarillo" or "Hartline is a bust" in big capital letters.

We all know we need a #1 receiver on this team (Ireland has said the FO knows it is a huge priority)
If you haven't read it yet here is the interview where he goes into detail about our need for a true #1
http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/exclusive-jeff-ireland-qa

Okay so back on point, so just because a guy isn't a #1 receiver doesn't mean he's not a key to the offence. All good and great teams have our kind of receivers on them paired with a game breaker. In fact these kind of guys make a #1 even better and vice versa. If we had a pro bowl stud WR right now but he was surrounded with garbage 2's and 3's his game would suffer and we might not have the 5 wins we do. We would all be bitching that we need to get some guys to help out said stud player.

One way or another you need different style receivers on a team and we just happen to have the more boring part of the pie right now but a no less important part. I'm not even going to go into the importance of a good receiving TE and how much pressure that takes off the receiving crew because this thing will turn into a novel.

None of this means anything if we swing and miss on our big time game changer, I think thats why they are taking there time and making sure they get it right. Moves like picking up Edwards would have been a disaster. Look at what they would have given up for him and he's already getting booed in NY for dropping balls and in key moments of the game. Be patient and he will come.
Click to expand...

Hey Don 74,

Our receivers suck. But you're not really addressing the group as a whole, you're removing Ginn from the equation. Even so, what you're left with is a group that would do well to be called average. Bess is a gamer and has very good hands, but he's short and slow. I'll grant you that he's a pretty good slot guy, but I'll call him average at best as compared to the rest of the NFL starters in the slot. Camarillo, especailly coming off major knee surgery, is nothing to write home about and his stats blow. Hartline has had some moments but he's average at best at this point. Let's face it, Kevin Curtis and Kevin Walter would start for this team in a heartbeat, and Curtis is riding the bench and Walter hasn't done much at all this year.

No offense, but your whole premise is off. When people say that our receivers suck they are most assuredly counting in Ted Ginn- yet you conveniently sweep Ginn under the carpet and judge the group as a whole minus Ginn. That approach is questionable at best.

Factoring in Ginn as the team's #1, this group sucks, and sucks big time. Factoring Ginn out of the equation, the group is anywhere from suck to below average. It's a sad state of affairs, and I'm pulling like hell for Bryant, Benn or Tate.
 
jim1 said:
Hey Don 74,

Our receivers suck. But you're not really addressing the group as a whole, you're removing Ginn from the equation. Even so, what you're left with is a group that would do well to be called average. Bess is a gamer and has very good hands, but he's short and slow. I'll grant you that he's a pretty good slot guy, but I'll call him average at best as compared to the rest of the NFL starters in the slot. Camarillo, especailly coming off major knee surgery, is nothing to write home about and his stats blow. Hartline has had some moments but he's average at best at this point. Let's face it, Kevin Curtis and Kevin Walter would start for this team in a hreatbeat, and Curtis is riding the bench and Walter hasn't done much at all this year.

No offense, but your whole premise is off. When people say that our receivers suck they are most assuredly counting in Ted Ginn- yet you conveniently sweep Ginn under the carpet and judge the group as a whole minus Ginn. That approach is questionable at best.

Factoring in Ginn as the team's #1, this group sucks, and sucks big time. Factoring Ginn out of the equation, the group is anywhere from suck to below average. It's a sad state of affairs, and I'm pulling like hell for Bryant, Benn or Tate.
Click to expand...

Well 1st of all are they average or do they suck? make up your mind. As far as Ginn I said right in the 1st paragraph that this thread was about defending the 3 I mentioned and the threads that have called them out. Plus your calling Ginn our #1 when he hasn't been since the Saints game in fact he hasn't even been a starter since then.

Bess is a well above average slot guy (imo) he has great 'football speed" which is what you want in a slot guy and he will only get better when he's not drawing so much of the defenses attention. We have 3 receivers playing a spot ahead of where they realistically should be and when we get a true #1 in here all 3 will be lined up in more favoritable match ups.

When you say they are average I agree they are in their current roles but that doesn't mean they suck or will not be key contributers in the future roles as very solid 2's and 3's.
 
SQuinn17 said:
We have nobody that even remotely threatens the opposing defense.
Click to expand...

You've missed the point, all good teams have different kind of receivers not all can be or should be streakers. We have in place now the clutch 3rd down and go move the chains kind of receivers which are keys to playing winning football. I don't know how much clearer I could have been in my post that we are missing that game changing big play guy.
 
TheDon74 said:
Well 1st of all are they average or do they suck? make up your mind. As far as Ginn I said right in the 1st paragraph that this thread was about defending the 3 I mentioned and the threads that have called them out. Plus your calling Ginn our #1 when he hasn't been since the Saints game in fact he hasn't even been a starter since then.

Bess is a well above average slot guy (imo) he has great 'football speed" which is what you want in a slot guy and he will only get better when he's not drawing so much of the defenses attention. We have 3 receivers playing a spot ahead of where they realistically should be and when we get a true #1 in here all 3 will be lined up in more favoritable match ups.

When you say they are average I agree they are in their current roles but that doesn't mean they suck or will not be key contributers in the future roles as very solid 2's and 3's.
Click to expand...

Try reading more carefully and think about it: I listed the players individually from average to below average. If you have a GROUP of receivers and none of the average to below average individuals are balanced out by players that are good to excellent then as a group, as compared to other NFL WR corps, they suck.
 
jim1 said:
Try reading more carefully and think about it: I listed the players individually from average to below average. If you have a GROUP of receivers and none of the average to below average individuals are balanced out by players that are good to excellent then as a group, as compared to other NFL WR corps, they suck.
Click to expand...

To be honest your totally missing the point of the thread. I agree with you that all 3 of these guys are nothing special in their current roles but if you know anything about football (and I'm not suggesting you don't) then you realize that when put in their proper roles all 3 (or at least 2 of the 3) will be key contributers to our future success.
 
TheDon74 said:
I like your screen name I miss that guy. I'm really hoping Turner can get coached up and be a Gadsden type receiver for us in the future. They say he makes a lot of those crazy catches on the sidelines. Time will tell, and it's another great example of a guy that wasn't a #1 but a key contributer.
Click to expand...

I miss him tons he was great for many things. When i heard about Turner in Camps i was excited to have a Gadsden guy again i hope he can turn it around.
 
TheDon74 said:
You've missed the point, all good teams have different kind of receivers not all can be or should be streakers. We have in place now the clutch 3rd down and go move the chains kind of receivers which are keys to playing winning football. I don't know how much clearer I could have been in my post that we are missing that game changing big play guy.
Click to expand...
Funny how that's definitely what they're not. Clutch? Who's clutch on this team? Nobody. We have a couple of guys that can be clutch from time to time, but are too inconsistent to regularly be given that title.
 
SQuinn17 said:
Funny how that's definitely what they're not. Clutch? Who's clutch on this team? Nobody. We have a couple of guys that can be clutch from time to time, but are too inconsistent to regularly be given that title.
Click to expand...

I would defiantly say Bess is clutch and Cam has great hands as well. The jury is still out on Hartline but I like what I've seen so far. Keep in mind these guys have the other teams #1 corners and safetys draped all over them when we get a big time #1 receiver that won't be the case in fact there will be time they will be covered by the other teams nickel back or even linebackers at times.

In other words we have 2's and 3's going against their #1's and we are still ranked at the top of the league in converting on 3rd down.
 
yeah, sorry, but there is no way to sugar coat the receiving corps on this team. they are completely average on their best day. there is some serious homerism going on if anyone thinks they are better than that.

this is why I reserve opinion on Henne, because until he has anyone remotely close to a serious threat at receiver, he has a huge disadvantage. beyond that, what does he have to work with? there is no one at TE, he's getting yanked every other drive for wldcat/wildpat plays. I dont care what anyone says, that has to f#ck with your timing/feel of the game.

Ronnie is gone, we need to leave the wildcat behind, too. have to find a way to run the ball. if ricky cant handle 25-30 reps a game, hilliard and sheets need to get in there.

can someone tell me how the hell patrick turner is not playing? are you f#cking serious? there are rookie receivers all over the damn league making plays every week. you mean to tell me this guy can't break in to the lineup with the putrid receivers we suit up? that has to be some kind of joke. what a bust. incredible.
 
Please..... we have a bunch of 3rd wr's who wouldn't even be that on a lot of teams.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom