Denver's zone blocking scheme!

[buddhafin]

If it's all about denver's scheme, (which it is, and it has been for like 10 years) why can't other teams replicate it??? Is Shanahan just super good at talent evaluation for his scheme? What do you think?

 

[kwh924]

Alot of it has to do with Chop blocks, the Falcons do the same thing sort of (Kevin Vickerson) and alot of coaches don't think it's a fair way and that it's too cheap.

 

[The Confessor]

I believe it to be fact that the Denver O-line is noted for ending more than one career with Chop-block schemes. I also think a large part of their success has to do with attitude. And of course they have had some serious talent go through the organization in the last 1-1/2 decades....

 

[buddhafin]

All of the above is true, but in a sport and profession with so much emphasis on winning ( you've got a significant amount of players on steroids) you'd think that if it were legal teams would do it, period. Denver fans say there is a difference between cut blocks and chop blocks, I'm not sure what it is but that is their argument. I just look at there running game over the last 9 years and say WOW!!!

 

[The Confessor]

One thing to note. In the 90's they (the donks o-line) got away with much more. The league starting cutting down on them cutting guys down, and you do see the cut/chop (whatever the #&ll you want to call it) being called much more. I do believe that a few teams actually filed greivences cause they were losing D-linemen left and right. I dont have any hard evidence, but I bet I could find some articles...

 

[shellgh0st]

All of the above is true, but in a sport and profession with so much emphasis on winning ( you've got a significant amount of players on steroids) you'd think that if it were legal teams would do it, period. Denver fans say there is a difference between cut blocks and chop blocks, I'm not sure what it is but that is their argument. I just look at there running game over the last 9 years and say WOW!!!

cut blocks is when your man blocks you low, cutting your legs out from under you. Its basically a low one on one block, meant to get the defender onto the ground.

A chop block is when one blocker blocks you high and another blocks you low. That is not legal.

You cannot cut block a player from behind though, that is not legal.

 

[tylerdolphin]

They do something special. They could take me now and have me rush for 1,000 yards, get a mega-deal somewhere else, and flop

 

[Disgustipate]

Because it's not an all-amazing scheme. It produces easy yardage rushing, sure. But it also has some serious downside.

The O-line, besides George Foster, is made up of some tiny players. They are all the size of most teams Centers, and at least one of them is a converted blocking tight end.

They can get seriously overpowered in the running game for one, when they are forced to run straight drive-blocking type plays. Look what Keith Traylor did to them on the goal-line. He took out 3 of their O-linemen on a single play in one instance.

Not to mention that they typically dont hold up well in pass protection, either. There is a reason why Shanahan's system has worked best with mobile quarterbacks who can dodge defenders and roll out.

 

[buddhafin]

lol tylerphin!!! Thanks for the diff between cut/chop shellghost. I do believe that they are cracking down on chop blocks in the 2000's but they still run the ball unbelievably and tylerphin has a point my grandma could run for 1000 yards in that scheme, there has to be some tangible variable other than the scheme ,that everyone has had the chance to copy for via tape the last 9 years.
What is it??

 

[The Confessor]

The O-line, besides George Foster, is made up of some tiny players. They are all the size of most teams Centers, and at least one of them is a converted blocking tight end.

They can get seriously overpowered in the running game for one, when they are forced to run straight drive-blocking type players. Look what Keith Traylor did to them on the goal-line. He took out 3 of their O-linemen on a single play in one instance.

Not to mention that they typically dont hold up well in pass protection, either. There is a reason why Shanahan's system has worked best with mobile quarterbacks who can dodge defenders and roll out.

:yeahthat: Exactly. Well stated.

 

[CVass]

lol tylerphin!!! Thanks for the diff between cut/chop shellghost. I do believe that they are cracking down on chop blocks in the 2000's but they still run the ball unbelievably and tylerphin has a point my grandma could run for 1000 yards in that scheme, there has to be some tangible variable other than the scheme ,that everyone has had the chance to copy for via tape the last 9 years.
What is it??

The blocking scheme lends itself to giving the running back multiple options. He doesn't have to follow the one hole, but can read the defense and choose a cutback lane.

 

[House Protector]

Because it's not an all-amazing scheme. It produces easy yardage rushing, sure. But it also has some serious downside.

The O-line, besides George Foster, is made up of some tiny players. They are all the size of most teams Centers, and at least one of them is a converted blocking tight end.

They can get seriously overpowered in the running game for one, when they are forced to run straight drive-blocking type plays. Look what Keith Traylor did to them on the goal-line. He took out 3 of their O-linemen on a single play in one instance.

Not to mention that they typically dont hold up well in pass protection, either. There is a reason why Shanahan's system has worked best with mobile quarterbacks who can dodge defenders and roll out.

Very good post.

Alot of it has to do with Chop blocks, the Falcons do the same thing sort of (Kevin Vickerson) and alot of coaches don't think it's a fair way and that it's too cheap.

They don't do it b/c they get overpowered in the pass protecting scheme.

I believe it to be fact that the Denver O-line is noted for ending more than one career with Chop-block schemes.

Name one career that has been ended due to Denver's O-line tactics. Are you making stuff up in your head?

 

[buddhafin]

Umm, I'm brand new to the site. How do you quote other people's posts? I know, stupid question, but if someone could tell me, it would be much appreciated. Oh and Denver's what 8-3 so they must pass protect adequately!

 

[The Confessor]

Umm, I'm brand new to the site. How do you quote other people's posts? I know, stupid question, but if someone could tell me, it would be much appreciated. Oh and Denver's what 8-3 so they must pass protect adequately!

You need to look for the QUOTE button, no really....
And yes, cept for the game against us, they are playing very very good in every aspect.

 

[The Confessor]

Name one career that has been ended due to Denver's O-line tactics. Are you making stuff up in your head?

No, actually I am making it up on paper....:goof: :goof:

Give me a few. I bet I can find an article. I do remember watching an ESPN special where someone was talking about it.....