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If I hear one more time how people are panicking about our depth (RB, WR, LB, etc.) I'm going to fling myself into a pit of radioactive, albino, cross-dressing, alligators, who happen to love snacking on slightly overweight 32 year olds.

Seroiusly though, depth is a tricky issue, but before we throw up the white flag and surrender our season, let's take a real look at the issue.

The Patriots are notorius for "exceptional" depth, at most positions over the past 5 years. I ask you, though, do they really have better players than everyone else (not included in this discussion is Tom Brady, who is better than everyone else) or do they have a better system. The last time they won the SB, their nickelback was an old WR, who played there because of injuries. Who would you rather have, him or anyone of the guys on our current depth chart for CB?

How about the Pats linebackers? Not one of them would be a star on any other team. Tedy Bruschi was never considered anything special, till he played in this current system and name any other LB that could be the star of their defense on another team. Fine, we don't have a big name pro-bowler at every LB spot or waitng in depth, BUT WHO THE HELL DOES?

Running back. Oy-vey. Look people, what we had last year was an anomoly. We were lucky. Hopefully, we'll have it next year. How many other teams boast that kind of talent at the first two RB spots? Virtually none. Ok you say the Steelers had that with Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis, I say the Seahawks have only Shaun Alexander. Ok, you say Pittsburgh won the Superbowl and Seattle didn't, I say was the rushing game really the difference in that game?

Denver is Captain Running Back Maker, and yet outside of Clinton Portis who is a special talent, none of these other rushers seem to make it on other teams. You think Sammy Morris is an iffy backup. I'd bet the farm he'd get 1000 yards as Denver's featured back.

The point of all this is to say, I don't think OUR depth is any more of a concern this year, than it is for any other team in any other year. In fact, I would argue that our team has significantly better depth than it has in quite some time. Because now we have a coaching staff who targets players that fit the system instead of fantasy football boards, just like another team in our division.

So please, I'm begging, stop, "The season is falling! The season is falling!", because I don't want to die.
 
A pet peeve of mine, too. I read an article which stated that the Phins would be in trouble if Chambers, Booker and Ronnie went down. Duh! What team wouldn't be hurting if it lost the starting RB & both WR's? Despite what people seem to think, no team has a starting-caliber backup at every position. In fact, it's extremely lucky to have one at any position.
 
The only place I am not happy with the depth is at RB. And there is valid concern there even if Sammie Morris could run for 1,000 yards for the Broncos....because, last I checked, we're not the Broncos.

Compare Sammie to some of the #2 backs across the league and you'll see that most other teams have more talent there.....some examples:

Patriots - L.Maroney
Bengals - C.Perry
Steelers - D.Staley
Browns - L.Suggs/J.Harrison/W.Green
Ravens - M.Anderson/M.Smith
Colts - Addai/Rhodes/Mungro
Titans - Henry/Brown/L.White
Jags - Toefield/Drew
Chargers - M.Turner
Eagles - R.Moats
Cowboys - M.Barber
Redskins - L.Betts
Packers - N.Davenport/S.Gado
Vikings - M.Moore/C.Fason
Bears - C.Benson
Bucs - M.Pittman
Saints - R.Bush/M.Bennett
Falcons - TJ Duckett
Panthers - D.Williams
49ers - F.Gore
Seahawks - M.Morris

There's 21 teams who have 2nd or 3rd RB's that I would rather have running the ball for Miami if Ronnie Brown were to go down. I fully appreciate what Sammie Morris brings to the table and love that he's a Dolphin......I just wish he wasn't the primary backup, because in that role, he's below average.
 
burger13 said:
The only place I am not happy with the depth is at RB. And there is valid concern there even if Sammie Morris could run for 1,000 yards for the Broncos....because, last I checked, we're not the Broncos.

Compare Sammie to some of the #2 backs across the league and you'll see that most other teams have more talent there.....some examples:

Patriots - L.Maroney
Bengals - C.Perry
Steelers - D.Staley
Browns - L.Suggs/J.Harrison/W.Green
Ravens - M.Anderson/M.Smith
Colts - Addai/Rhodes/Mungro
Titans - Henry/Brown/L.White
Jags - Toefield/Drew
Chargers - M.Turner
Eagles - R.Moats
Cowboys - M.Barber
Redskins - L.Betts
Packers - N.Davenport/S.Gado
Vikings - M.Moore/C.Fason
Bears - C.Benson
Bucs - M.Pittman
Saints - R.Bush/M.Bennett
Falcons - TJ Duckett
Panthers - D.Williams
49ers - F.Gore
Seahawks - M.Morris

There's 21 teams who have 2nd or 3rd RB's that I would rather have running the ball for Miami if Ronnie Brown were to go down. I fully appreciate what Sammie Morris brings to the table and love that he's a Dolphin......I just wish he wasn't the primary backup, because in that role, he's below average.

Help me understand why all of these RBs are better than Morris. Duckett for example avg'd around 3 ypc last year. Staley and alot of the others also avg'd under 4 ypc. In addition, some of the teams above have better O-lines, don't they? I'm not trying to discredit your post; I'm just interested to know why you believe they're superior to who we have.
 
C'mon, burger13!

In 2004, Morris averaged 4 YPC behind the worst OL in the league without a credible QB threat. If he could do that then, think what he can do with a better OL, a better fullback opening holes for him, and a QB that can accurately throw the long TD...

I , personally, have no worries about Sammy whatsoever...
 
i've said this many times in previous posts and i'll say it again,sammy is going to be a great asset to this team,moreso than a lot of those players that were mentioned
 
burger13 said:
The only place I am not happy with the depth is at RB. And there is valid concern there even if Sammie Morris could run for 1,000 yards for the Broncos....because, last I checked, we're not the Broncos.

Compare Sammie to some of the #2 backs across the league and you'll see that most other teams have more talent there.....some examples:

Patriots - L.Maroney
Bengals - C.Perry
Steelers - D.Staley
Browns - L.Suggs/J.Harrison/W.Green
Ravens - M.Anderson/M.Smith
Colts - Addai/Rhodes/Mungro
Titans - Henry/Brown/L.White
Jags - Toefield/Drew
Chargers - M.Turner
Eagles - R.Moats
Cowboys - M.Barber
Redskins - L.Betts
Packers - N.Davenport/S.Gado
Vikings - M.Moore/C.Fason
Bears - C.Benson
Bucs - M.Pittman
Saints - R.Bush/M.Bennett
Falcons - TJ Duckett
Panthers - D.Williams
49ers - F.Gore
Seahawks - M.Morris

There's 21 teams who have 2nd or 3rd RB's that I would rather have running the ball for Miami if Ronnie Brown were to go down. I fully appreciate what Sammie Morris brings to the table and love that he's a Dolphin......I just wish he wasn't the primary backup, because in that role, he's below average.

I would have to disagree on at least the names I highlighted and could probably argue on at least a few of the other ones if not all of them. You have some guys on this list that nobody even knew they existed until they got the chance to play. So if Gaddo hadn't played last year you'd have had no problem trading him and Morris even up? What has Cedric Benson done? I find it funny that some of these teams have as many as 3 better backups than Morris(in your opinion) yet they still used high draft picks on running backs. Sammy wasn't considered our best back at the start of the 04 season either, but if you watched at all that year it was clear he is a talented back if given the chance to show it. I know this is all a matter of opinion so there is no right or wrong but I think Sammy is a very good number two running back. Not the best in the league IMO, but definately in the upper half.
 
Finascious D said:
If I hear one more time how people are panicking about our depth (RB, WR, LB, etc.) I'm going to fling myself into a pit of radioactive, albino, cross-dressing, alligators, who happen to love snacking on slightly overweight 32 year olds.

Wouldn't it be easier to roll naked over floor of dull razor blades then go swimming in a pool of warm, salty lemonade? :D

Finascious D said:
So please, I'm begging, stop, "The depth is falling! The depth is falling!", because I don't want to die.

How can the depth be falling? Usually, you fall into the depths of... depression, the ocean, & even love :evil:

Miami's depth IMO is fine. I think any lack of depth will be negated by Saban's use of flexibility/versatility.
 
burger13 said:
The only place I am not happy with the depth is at RB. And there is valid concern there even if Sammie Morris could run for 1,000 yards for the Broncos....because, last I checked, we're not the Broncos.

I didn't mean to imply that we were the Broncos. :rolleyes:
What I'm saying is that Denver's RBs are a product of the Bronco's system.

As for the rest of your post, i'm curious if you are basing your list of "good" running backs by their name or by their actual production. Cause Sammy has a 4 ypc average, which is considered not ok, but darn good.
 
utahphinsfan said:
Wouldn't it be easier to roll naked over floor of dull razor blades then go swimming in a pool of warm, salty lemonade? :D

I don't think so. Do you know how long it would take to make a pool of warm, salty lemonade!?!?!?!:wink:

utahphinsfan said:
How can the depth be falling? Usually, you fall into the depths of... depression, the ocean, & even love :evil:

Yes, yes, I meant "season" and I have edited it:tantrum:

utahphinsfan said:
Miami's depth IMO is fine. I think any lack of depth will be negated by Saban's use of flexibility/versatility.

Amen
 
Finascious D said:
If I hear one more time how people are panicking about our depth (RB, WR, LB, etc.) I'm going to fling myself into a pit of radioactive, albino, cross-dressing, alligators, who happen to love snacking on slightly overweight 32 year olds.

Seroiusly though, depth is a tricky issue, but before we throw up the white flag and surrender our season, let's take a real look at the issue.

The Patriots are notorius for "exceptional" depth, at most positions over the past 5 years. I ask you, though, do they really have better players than everyone else (not included in this discussion is Tom Brady, who is better than everyone else) or do they have a better system. The last time they won the SB, their nickelback was an old WR, who played there because of injuries. Who would you rather have, him or anyone of the guys on our current depth chart for CB?

How about the Pats linebackers? Not one of them would be a star on any other team. Tedy Bruschi was never considered anything special, till he played in this current system and name any other LB that could be the star of their defense on another team. Fine, we don't have a big name pro-bowler at every LB spot or waitng in depth, BUT WHO THE HELL DOES?

Running back. Oy-vey. Look people, what we had last year was an anomoly. We were lucky. Hopefully, we'll have it next year. How many other teams boast that kind of talent at the first two RB spots? Virtually none. Ok you say the Steelers had that with Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis, I say the Seahawks have only Shaun Alexander. Ok, you say Pittsburgh won the Superbowl and Seattle didn't, I say was the rushing game really the difference in that game?

Denver is Captain Running Back Maker, and yet outside of Clinton Portis who is a special talent, none of these other rushers seem to make it on other teams. You think Sammy Morris is an iffy backup. I'd bet the farm he'd get 1000 yards as Denver's featured back.

The point of all this is to say, I don't think OUR depth is any more of a concern this year, than it is for any other team in any other year. In fact, I would argue that our team has significantly better depth than it has in quite some time. Because now we have a coaching staff who targets players that fit the system instead of fantasy football boards, just like another team in our division.

So please, I'm begging, stop, "The season is falling! The season is falling!", because I don't want to die.

Excellent points my fellow finfan!!!!!
 
Are you crazy

burger13 said:
The only place I am not happy with the depth is at RB. And there is valid concern there even if Sammie Morris could run for 1,000 yards for the Broncos....because, last I checked, we're not the Broncos.

Compare Sammie to some of the #2 backs across the league and you'll see that most other teams have more talent there.....some examples:

Patriots - L.Maroney
Bengals - C.Perry
Steelers - D.Staley
Browns - L.Suggs/J.Harrison/W.Green
Ravens - M.Anderson/M.Smith
Colts - Addai/Rhodes/Mungro
Titans - Henry/Brown/L.White
Jags - Toefield/Drew
Chargers - M.Turner
Eagles - R.Moats
Cowboys - M.Barber
Redskins - L.Betts
Packers - N.Davenport/S.Gado
Vikings - M.Moore/C.Fason
Bears - C.Benson
Bucs - M.Pittman
Saints - R.Bush/M.Bennett
Falcons - TJ Duckett
Panthers - D.Williams
49ers - F.Gore
Seahawks - M.Morris

There's 21 teams who have 2nd or 3rd RB's that I would rather have running the ball for Miami if Ronnie Brown were to go down. I fully appreciate what Sammie Morris brings to the table and love that he's a Dolphin......I just wish he wasn't the primary backup, because in that role, he's below average.

What you have said is Silly:tantrum: I'm sorry If your mad at this:confused: But have you not watch depth perception ? Who is the #2 in the NFL ? I think Sammy would be the #1 on a competive team !!!!!!
 
well i guess where just gonna have to wait for the season to start and have sammy take the ball a few times to see how worthy he truly is i do think sammy is a decent back-up but i also have a few doubts over him as well
 
late again said:
Help me understand why all of these RBs are better than Morris. Duckett for example avg'd around 3 ypc last year. Staley and alot of the others also avg'd under 4 ypc. In addition, some of the teams above have better O-lines, don't they? I'm not trying to discredit your post; I'm just interested to know why you believe they're superior to who we have.

They may not all be better, but I would feel more comfortable with any of them as our featured back than Morris. Maybe I'd be wrong on a few, maybe a lot. Some are older and may not be as effective anymore (Staley). Some are unproven, even rookies (Maroney, D.Williams), but they all bring something to the table that I just don't see in Morris. Superior? No. Better? Yes, IMO.

Also, I don'twant Sammy Morris to be our main rushing threat because he does too many other things for the team, special teams, backup fullback, that he would not be able to do if thrust into the starters role.
 
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