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DEs in the draft that would fit in Miami style Wide-9 defense

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In Miami`s "Wide-9" technique, the DE is a pure pass rusher, and usually a speed rusher to be more specific. He aligns himself out wide, angled back toward the quarterback, and has limited run responsibility on the play. His whole job is to get to the quarterback. These are the defensive ends who excel at getting off the ball, blowing past the tackle, dipping their shoulder around the turn, and reaching the quarterback as he completes his drop.

Believe it of not Dion Jordan will be an amazing wide -9 tech DE.

So what DE prospects in the late first to second rd would fit this scheme


What should be very interesting this off season is if Miami resigns Andre and also if they decide to keep Dion Jordan. If they did keep these two guys, then DE may not be a big need as is LBs.

However; Carl Lawson of Auburn and Charles Harris of Missouri are the only true wide-9 guys who could still be available at 22 when Miami picks. The best value for wide-9 guy may come much later in the draft. There are bunch of them even in the 3rd day of the draft.
 
I think Tanoh Kapassagnon will be available and IMHO, he'd be a great fit for our defense. The kid is raw, needs to learn a lot about technique points like hand placement, but wow is the kid a natural monster.
 
Here's a little tidbit:

In truth the 9 technique is on the outside shoulder of the TE. The widest alignment on the defensive line is actually the 8 technique.

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  • 2i, 4i, 7 techniques are inside alignments on the offensive blocker.
  • 0, 2, 4, 6 techniques are head-up alignments on blocker
  • 3, 5, 9, are outside alignments on blockers
  • 8 is a true wide alignment in space.

Wide 9 in our scheme is just a buzzword from the Gym Shorts (read: Jim Schwartz) world of football from copying Belichick in his specific scheme to stop the old Colts stretch runs when Manning was their QB in the '00s.
 
fisi said:
In Miami`s "Wide-9" technique, the DE is a pure pass rusher, and usually a speed rusher to be more specific. He aligns himself out wide, angled back toward the quarterback, and has limited run responsibility on the play. His whole job is to get to the quarterback. These are the defensive ends who excel at getting off the ball, blowing past the tackle, dipping their shoulder around the turn, and reaching the quarterback as he completes his drop.
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Not true.

There may be Spark or Pinch calls where a defensive lineman has no post-snap read to penetrate a specific gap, but a lineman's responsibility is always run-first. Granted 3rd & long situations the DL will tee-off for the QB, but that's usually the case for every position along the front on long down and distance.
 
I would love somehow for Dion Jordan to come in and prove us all wrong and make the team. He fits the scheme, long and if he can get his burst back, would be pretty intriguing to develop.you had to put DJ in this draft where would you rank him?

Carl Lawson I'm hoping drops due to injuries but he was my favorite before I found about his IH
 
Washburn (both of them) and Joseph are gone, do we even run a wide 9 anymore
 
NoblePhin said:
I would love somehow for Dion Jordan to come in and prove us all wrong and make the team. He fits the scheme, long and if he can get his burst back, would be pretty intriguing to develop.you had to put DJ in this draft where would you rank him?

Carl Lawson I'm hoping drops due to injuries but he was my favorite before I found about his IH
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I might have a better shot at hitting the Powerball than a guy who has been out of football for 3+ years contributing in any meaningful way, particularly when they've always lacked the work ethic required.
 
Derek Barnett fits the speed rush requirement to a "T". Run stopping on the hand, hes a liitle like Cam Wake on the small side.
 
uk_dolfan said:
Washburn (both of them) and Joseph are gone, do we even run a wide 9 anymore
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I gotta admit, I've been wondering this too. If there has been an official mention of this--confirmation or even consideration of change--I missed it. Burke was recruited with the understanding he would assume control when VJ got a head coaching gig. So, I've been assuming that he had big input into our system even before now ... but that is merely my assumption. We didn't use the wide 9 exclusively, in fact a lot of the time we didn't use it. We said we were going to be a press team, and we really didn't use that hardly at all. So, I've been wondering what this defense will look like under Burke.

We _said_ that one of the reasons we hired Burke, and one of the reasons the defense would be more productive this year, is because the defense will have a full year under their belt learning this complex defense. That makes sense ... but if Burke were promised the job and then given it, it may not be the actual reason he was hired.

With a healthy 2nd year Xavien Howard and Maxwell, we really can run a press coverage scheme if we want. We should start the year with a signed and healthy Reshad Jones and Isa Quduus. That safety combo should give us enough confidence to trust the press. With everyone healthy back there I'm hoping we can play the press and shut down a lot of this short passing junk that has exposed us so badly last year. Of course, that is irrelevant unless we can get a LB corps that can cover the short stuff, but at least that does seem to be the focus of the front office this offseason, so there is hope in this regard.

So, if we can fill the LB play in coverage, and we have a full compliment of healthy DB's, I can see no excuse for not using press coverage. To me, that scheme change alone (and it is a change because we didn't really press last year), would be even bigger than using or abandoning the wide 9. But I must admit, I too am very curious to see what techniques Burke emphasizes. If we are going to play press + wide 9, then we should see a lot of that in the pre-season. If we do not, then I consider it more lip service. Personally, I've been waiting/hoping/expecting a press scheme for a looooooooooooooong time, and despite being excited about it when we drafted X. Howard, they keep frustrating me by playing the same dang off man junk.
 
Not to go conspiracy theorist, but if I were making a change to the scheme, I'd not give the rest of the league the heads up before FA and the draft. FA may reveal the intentions but it seems like teams love their smoke screens heading into the draft. If a team assumes you won't pick player A cuz he's not a scheme fit for you, they are less likely to jump ahead of you and grab your guy.
 
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