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How long does it take to develop a player and when to look for someone else?
Deiter will be in his 4th year, should he be better? Will he be able to be an above average C next year?
AJ will be in year #3. Is it decided he is not a LT but a LG? Can he even be that?
Kindley, and Hunt will be year 3. How about Jones?
Eich will only be coming into year 2. What did he show us and what can we expect? RT? LT? Or another college tackle that has to move inside.
It seems to me if a plan is to surround Tua with help the OL is the starting place.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Development only happens if you have good positional coaching. There is no set amount of years and that's why it's so hard to judge some players.
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Seriously, its really hard to judge what we have when we pretty much know our O-line coach this year was clueless and well beyond his depth and experience. We need our new HC to focus on a highly experienced line coach to truly see what we have. Our entire line regressed, greatly this year due to the coaching or lack there of.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
Development only happens if you have good positional coaching. There is no set amount of years and that's why it's so hard to judge some players.
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We can blame coaching all we want. While it’s bad on the o line, no coach is going to fix a guy like Austin Jackson. The guy is just flat out bad. At the end of the day we need football talent.
 
IMO it is an art rather than a science. I believe I read somewhere that the Spurs need to see a player for 800-1,000 minutes in their system because they can make an accurate judgement on whether they will work out. The great teams are able to identify players who will develop early, the bad organizations stick with players longer than they should.
 
I always thought Parcells rule about year 3 still carries weight(think it was his but maybe I'm going senile).

Now you can have outliers as if the player is just plain terrible, has a poor attitude etc... But some of that the fans won't know about till after release lol.

For offensive linemen, I think you need at least 2 years for most, as they come in from programs that don't mirror the NFL game. Coming from spread offenses, varying talent across from them from a week to week basis, smaller programs, strength/conditioning etc...
And coaching plays a huge role. A wrong coach can mess with even elite vets.

Most of those guys mentioned are still on their rookie contracts so luckily they aren't huge cap burdens.
I think for someone like Jackson, if the team sees a Lg in the draft that fits their scheme they should draft them and have a competition.
Someone like Eich needs to lock down a spot and stay there for an entire offseason first.
 
EasyRider said:
We don’t have coaches who could develop players.
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How many players have we let go that sucked here and went on to have good careers elsewhere? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Billy Turner and I think that has a lot more to do with the team he’s on.

It’s more that the players just sucked.
 
John813 said:
I always thought Parcells rule about year 3 still carries weight(think it was his but maybe I'm going senile).

Now you can have outliers as if the player is just plain terrible, has a poor attitude etc... But some of that the fans won't know about till after release lol.

For offensive linemen, I think you need at least 2 years for most, as they come in from programs that don't mirror the NFL game. Coming from spread offenses, varying talent across from them from a week to week basis etc...
And coaching plays a huge role. A wrong coach can mess with even elite vets.

Most of those guys mentioned are still on their rookie contracts so luckily they aren't huge cap burdens.
I think for someone like Jackson, if the team sees a Lg in the draft that fits their scheme they should draft them and have a competition.
Someone like Eich needs to lock down a spot and stay there for an entire offseason first.
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Didn't he also say something like "If they don't bite as a puppy they usually don't bite" ?
 
Sofa_King_Drunk said:
Didn't he also say something like "If they don't bite as a puppy they usually don't bite" ?
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Definitely sounds like one of his phrases. lol

Makes some sense as players have that it factor or they don't. Doesn't mean they have to be flawless on day 1 but you can at least see some type of "spark" or potential.
 
I understand that coaching is a skill and that some are better than others, but don't all coaches at this level teach the same fundamentals? How different of a coaching approach can someone have that can lead to a historically bad OL vs. an average one? Aren't there universally recognized good coaches and don't you think anyone at the NFL level would study those coaches' philosophies and try to mimic them?

Or is a bad coach just one that gets out schemed by another coach?
 
different players take a different amount of time.....Paul Soliai took a few years but then was very good for us. there was a time when a QB wouldn’t even play till his 3rd or 4th year but now they all play as rookies.
 
NBP81 said:
There's one concept I truly believe in... Put players in good situations and you're alot more likely to get good results than when you put them in **** situations...
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Look at the Miami Heat, they just playing random guys they pick up off the street and they having success in their system. You don't need a superstar at every position. You should be able to find a talented guard in the mid-to-late rounds.
 
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